Are you not capable of making the effort to point out the obvious flaws in your post, George?

It is not an onerous task.  I'd happily do it for you if I thought you would learn from it, but am not conviced that that capacity or inclination is there.

Surely we have moved long beyond the moral condemnation and judgement of the parenting?  That's one of the few givens in this case.

So we're both agreed, itcanbedone, you've put nothing to bed.

Now to be fair to scandanavian_haven, he's given his opinion, or a possible explanation, which I respect, but it doesn't put it to bed.

Nope. I made that point to TheBaron for the first time

You may have said that to the baron for the first time, but you've said many times before on previous related threads, as well as the apologist line. Why should you all be allowed to get away with such a heavinly slanted approach to this case, there is little balance, it's anti mccann all the way and IMO it's born out of plain hatred for them as parents rather than common sense, which comes back to the following simple question, Where and how would they have ben able to have successfully covered up a death by hiding a dead body in a place they'd only been in for days without anyone ever finding her or traces of her? it's very implausible especially given the money, man power and time spent on it.


exactly itcanbedone, people appear to have their judgement clouded based on the fact they can't hide their disapproval of them as parents (they being the perfect parent n' all)...nobody has ever condoned them leaving them alone so move on from that, repeating it just tells me you just want to make yourself feel better by projecting such moral superiority, we get it.

Opinions doesn't put anything to be george but never does accusations, what you have come up is not worth debating as it doesn't amount to any kind of hard evidence does it.

Simple fact is that there are a heck of a lot of questions that haven't been explained away in any reasonable manner.

Such as why was their mortgage paid off with the 'find maddie fund' fund and why wholly incompetent detectives, with no experience of tracing missing persons appointed?! It was registered as a limited company and not a charity.

Everything is circumstantial without a body. However, it appears to many who have done in depth analysis that more of this circumstantial evidence seems to indicate death at the apartment as opposed to any abduction.

Statistics alone show abductions are incredibly rare. And with absolutely no evidence whatsoever that she was abducted (aside of course from a missing girl); statistically she is far more likely to have met her fate within the confides of the apartment.

Simple fact is that there are a heck of a lot of questions that haven't been explained away in any reasonable manner.

Such as why was their mortgage paid off with the 'find maddie fund' fund and why wholly incompetent detectives, with no experience of tracing missing persons appointed?! It was registered as a limited company and not a charity.

Everything is circumstantial without a body. However, it appears to many who have done in depth analysis that more of this circumstantial evidence seems to indicate death at the apartment as opposed to any abduction.

Statistics alone show abductions are incredibly rare. And with absolutely no evidence whatsoever that she was abducted (aside of course from a missing girl); statistically she is far more likely to have met her fate within the confides of the apartment.

There's no evidence of any crime whether abduction or murder or manslaughter. How someone can lean towards any scenario when the only evidence of any crime is that there is a missing child is bias.

scandanavian_haven   

Nope. I made that point to TheBaron for the first time

You may have said that to the baron for the first time, but you've said many times before on previous related threads, as well as the apologist line. Why should you all be allowed to get away with such a heavinly slanted approach to this case, there is little balance, it's anti mccann all the way and IMO it's born out of plain hatred for them as parents rather than common sense, which comes back to the following simple question, Where and how would they have ben able to have successfully covered up a death by hiding a dead body in a place they'd only been in for days without anyone ever finding her or traces of her?

Earlier on this thread I posted "Like everyone else I don't know for sure what happened but I lean towards an abduction" or words to that effect so how can you write that. As for your other crap it's precisely that. I'll post what I like and when I like and won't be dissuaded by an idiot like you.

Not really sure what your source is for those Charwell and think some of them probably aren't true but certainly this is a new one I've never heard of:

- who cleans a holiday apartment top to toe (including curtains)?

Where does this come from?

We'll consider the photo's of Madeline that week (or should that be the lack of them?)

5 of them?  Reasonable Explantion given by Scandi

So we've got the three where she's wearing the clothes she had on at the airport, leading observers to think those photo's were probably taken on the Saturday they arrived or Sunday at the latest.  Correct and likely

We have the tennis balls photo, which leads to obvious questions such as:

1. Where are all the other kids, parents and tennis coach? Reasonable Explantion given by Scandi

2. Why only the one photo of that tennis session? Reasonable Explantion given by Scandi

2. Why did more than one person claim to have taken the photo?  No idea, would need to knwo more to come up with an explanation

3. Did Kate really run all the way back to apartment to grab her camera while Madeline held that pose? No idea, possibly

4. Why was Madeline holding full size tennis balls when presumably the kids would have used the lighter spongier balls?  key word...presumably

And there's the 'final' photo beside the pool:

1. Some have examined the weather records from that week and suggested Sunday would have been the last day where it was warm and sunny for long enough to have been sat around the pool in shades and light summer clothing, particularly as Thursday was apparently cloudy and on the cooler side. Weather records are not that detailed in a micro sense.  I  got sun burnt on the beach today for example, even though the weather records will tell you it was largely cloudy.  regarding sitting around the pool in cool Portuguese weather.. I live in a hot climate and i see British tourists with their shirts off when i am wearing a coat.

2. Why did it take 3 weeks to come up with the photo?  The tennis photo was produced 2 days after the event.  From the same memory stick or card. presumably they chose the tennis image for reasons i have previously discussed

And other questions such as:
1. Why wasn't that photo handed to the police initially along with the others, and why were there only 3 colour ones amongst a load of black and white, hard to distinguish ones, given to police?  Nothing to suggest it wasn't and that the Tennis photo was chosen for reasons previously detailed

So 6 days of holiday, but apparently just ? 5 colour photo's and 2 of them open seemingly to question, seemingly being the key word, only seemingly to a conspiracy theorist and the lack of holiday snaps leading some to question, along with a glut of other stuff, if Madeline was still alive after the Sunday.

If your key theory was that Maddie was killed early in the week, the key part of establishing this is not the flimsy photo evidence speculation, but rather how they got around the, admittedly somewhat haphazzard, Kids Club signing in and out procedures. A massive risk to take which could have easily been rumbled.  And also what child the overhead neighbour, Mrs Fenn, heard calling out the night before the event. Mrs Fenn considered that the child was older than a toddler btw.

2. Why did it take 3 weeks to come up with the photo?  The tennis photo was produced 2 days after the event.  From the same memory stick or card. presumably they chose the tennis image for reasons i have previously discussed

Unfortunately, a distinct lack of knowledge there, most people familiar with even just a basic understanding of the case know the 3 week gap refers to the 'final' photo next to the pool.

xtrader

an abductor can drive for miles and miles across borders if he wished to his own home, gerry would only have a finite period of time to a) bury / dispose of the body and b) do it so extremely well no trace of her would ever be found - and then for the next 10 years appear on a multitude of TV shows to drum up attenion for her disappearance - as any normal parent would, if you were guilty, you wouldn't.

Grow up, George.

The pool photo was on the same stick as the Tennis photo. The tennis photo (penultimate photo)  was chosen for reasons detailed (can you remember me explaining them or do you need further hand feeding?).  There was no failure to produce the Tennis photo at the time..it simply wasn't chosen.

You think Mrs Fenn was in on it too?  Maybe she was a (female) Mason and told what to say?  You thunk? 

The delay in her statement in indicative of the balls up the Portuguese police made of the whole thing.

So a guilty parent would not go on tv. People will do whatever it takes to put people off the trail. Remember this is all about raking in cash now,

I read this the other day aswell, cant remember where tho, dodgy as feck

I'd be very surprised if that was the case as I doubt anyone outside of the Mccann's could confirm they did this unless they told someone about it.

In 2014-15, according to a report by Action Against Abduction, there were 1,141 cases, including 618 non-parental abduction attempts across England, Wales and Northern Ireland, according to Action Against Abduction.

Shrewd, even the Lisbon Police guys who eventually took over from Amaral publicly admitted that several aspects of the way case had been run were a shambles.

That's not really what I asked and not a surprise when someone gets relieved the new guys come in and say mistakes have been made.

Shrewd dude.

Someone cleaned every trace of a young girls DNA away that had been living in that apartment.

This is a fact NOBODY can argue with.

Where's the link xtrader?