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The historical evidence for Jesus himself is extraordinarily good. …. From time to time people try to suggest that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, but virtually all historians of whatever background now agree that he did
NT Wright, Oxford & St Andrews Universities, in the Guardian |
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You, zorro, hypothesised that perhaps there were other 'sub humans' whom god didnt care much for who formed tribes and who must have had offspring with decedents of Adam and Eve....or words to that effect.
Care to elucidate where you get this concept, or did you think it up and add it on? Bertrand Russell to God - 'sir why did you take such pains to hide yourself'. Perhaps, being the product of the environment that shaped me I have tried all I can to see what you see zorro, but as I cant shape the extremities that I have no control over I cant make myself any better and closer to belief, ergo I am what I am. Do you blame dogs for not being birds? |
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zorro.........I assume you don't believe in a young earth and the world is billions of years and not 6\10
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6\10 thousand....so why did jesus come to earth because of original sin(adam and eve)....when he presumably knew they never existed
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oh dont, hes got a theory on that something about a thousand years and the speed of light
He picks his science as and when.... |
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the universe came in existence over 13 billion years ago...........then god read his paper for another 9 billions years..........then created the earth .........then waited another 4 billion years before humans came.........come on ..grow up ffs zorro
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along the lines....god cant do anything.............or I change the rules to fit my stupid religion
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god can do anything*
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Getting off topic - you know you lost so you are shifting ground.
the earth is as old as it is. Nobody knows how old it is? It's a guessing game that changes from day to day. All they have is observations of the red shift of light to base the age of the universe on. If that calibration changes because of some error in their system, blow up. when the big bang was first postulated - the expanse that exploded was trillions of miles across? then millions, then thousands and then a singularity. ? ? All in fifty years of scientific study. the half life of carbon 14 is 5,750 years - so why is carbon 14 still here after billions of years. They use this as a dating method? Barry setterfield has several lectures on Youtube about the variability of the speed of light - modern scientists have conceded that there are no universal constants any more - it's all BS - All the books need to be revised again. science once believed in phlogiston - that lasted one hundred years. Those that believe they have the truth, don't look for it anymore... The phlogiston theory is a superseded scientific theory that postulated that a fire-like element called phlogiston is contained within combustible bodies and released during combustion. The name comes from the Ancient Greek φλογιστόν phlogistón (burning up), from φλόξ phlóx (flame). then they discovered oxygen? |
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idiots that say they read the bible, quite obviously did not - because they always say...
Cain murdered Abel. Cain's wife is mentioned, Where did she come from if Adam and Eve had only sons? and that explains it all - the FKers only read one page of the bible. Their brains fit into their ballz. |
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the grandfather of my daughters boyfriend is very religious..............he was spouting from the bible last month............he was telling me about Martha who was 860..........giving birth
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so there were humans who were not made by God you mean?
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and you want us to believe that book
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why when one of the disciples asked jesus about washing after they have had a no2 and before eating did he say ..washing yourself and your clothes once a week.....that was the right and proper thing to do jesus told him........didn't jesus know about the germ theory of disease
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God places a mark on Cain lest someone find him and decides to murder him...
who is out there to do that? It implies that man is a more complicated being in nature than you might think. You freaks that believe in evolution call man an animal. I say he has a soul. GOD CREATED MAN and animal. Man has a soul and spirit. This is what God is calling Man. The image of GOD. Eden is part of heaven - after the fall man is clothed? in what? could it be he has lost his heavenly body and now is in spiritual death. They left their first estate. Cast out of Eden. into the earth with other animals. Man is now an animal. He encounters tribes that are mentioned from this point in the old testament. They marry into these tribes. Non Adam tribes. Quite possibly these peoples have no souls or spirits like all the other animals. I AM USING MY IMAGINATION. I DON'T KNOW? But from the time Adam entered into history, we started to write and record history. This implies man started to think at this point beyond the mere act of existing. Which is what animals do. They exist and survive. Cain builds a city. It's his first action. And Adam and Eve had many many children. They lived for quite a long time. from two comes four from four comes billions. Nature magazine - the science magazine can trace all of humanity down to two progenitors using DNA - they have termed them ADAM and EVE. |
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They marry into these tribes. Non Adam tribes. Quite possibly these peoples have no souls or spirits like all the other animals
So either There were other humans that god didnt create/or God didnt care for/ or were not intended to be relevant to the story? So that might suggest could it not why religion has no meaning to some? We being the descendants of those tribes who the bible wasnt written for? |
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Doesnt the bible suggest that everyone came from Adam and Eve though?
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100\150 years after the ark they build the pyramids ...those 8 people were very busy to produce so many ...the bible is fiction....its all myth......its got no more truth than the greek myths.........how its permeated its way into the the society of so many people is a tragedy.........its even spawned a probably even more deadly religion.......islam
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If you drop orange into water at what point do you have an orange drink
Everyone in the world has these genetic markers from two individuals. |
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Adam and Eve, according to the creation myth of the Abrahamic religions,[1][2][3][4][5] were the first man and woman and the ancestors of all humans.[6] The story of Adam and Eve is central to the belief that God created human beings to live in a paradise on earth, although they fell away from that state and formed the present world full of suffering and injustice. It provides the basis for the belief that humanity is in essence a single family, with everyone descended from a single pair of original ancestors.[7] It also provides much of the scriptural basis for the doctrines of the fall of man and original sin that are important beliefs in Christianity, but which are not generally held in Judaism or Islam.[8][9]
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wiki
So either the above assertion is true or the Bible got the message wrong? |
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http://www.nature.com/news/genetic-adam-and-eve-did-not-live-too-far-apart-in-time-1.13478?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews
The Book of Genesis puts Adam and Eve together in the Garden of Eden, but geneticists’ version of the duo — the ancestors to whom the Y chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA of today’s humans can be traced — were thought to have lived tens of thousands of years apart. Now, two major studies of modern humans’ Y chromosomes suggest that ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’ may have lived around the same time after all1, up yers |
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the original question to you zorro was to ask, why humans lived without shame before the message of jesus arrived with the navigators.
Whether they are part human as you suggest or not they therefore had to be descended from Adam, and that the bible suggest all those decended from him incurs original sin |
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you are being rather unchristian Ive noticed of late, even vitriolic.
Why is this? Now answer the question |
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you are inferring they had no shame? so if a man was not a good hunter he felt no shame?
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wtf are you rattling on about now?
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zorro........how old do you think the earth is??
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I'm a little angry - i admit it - the lies you believe is your affair - but you are here in a thread that tries to lead others into hell with you.
It's bad enough you have chosen spiritual death. which i will mourn from the other side - but you tempt others into your pit. |
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you give me the impression you believe in the absurdity of a young earth??
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Ive told you once about casting aspersions you can not back up zorro.
Right now Im making money at racing and Ive just missed a race reading your self destruction but I shall find out the literature for later when I return. |
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The Earth is as old as God made it to be. It's irrelevant to the lesson you were put here for.
you don't examine the blank sheet of paper put down to you at an exam and look at it for the whole of the exam? trying to discover the maker by watermark, guessing it's conposition and when it was made. You live and you are to examine your life and find the answer to why you are here. |
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a stone marker is waiting for you - do you really care if the earth is five billion years old or fifty million or ten thousand?
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If the exam was posed to the writing on the page and the letters were given knowledge with which to answer then they too might question the paper.....
You come out with some crazy daft 5hit Anyway, Im away to make money |
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have you thought becoming a politician...........you are very slippery character ...........never answer a question put to you
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ive heard you quote adam and eve as if their were actual real people which is nonsense .....and you also have a theory about god and the big bang\ and evolution......talk about having your cake and eating it
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you'll miss that race?
the exam is called FAITH and you are failing it - the clock is ticking and you only have a few minutes left. the answer is simple... the ones in hell want thirty seconds only... they scream for thirty seconds to say one sentence that they will never get a chance to say... I claim Jesus the Messiah as my saviour - thru him I am saved. Lord I'm sorry for my sins, forgive me. That's all that is needed to be saved. No trailing your carcass anywhere on a sunday, no club dues. You open a dialogue with God and talk to him. But you are self employed in every sense. No time to examine your existence. You rely on yourself and you are king of your world. |
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Make no mistake, Cardifffc, strange as it may seem, Zorro believes it all, hook line and sinker. There is no way anyone can persuade him that the universe is otherwise because he is not listening. He is like the lone preacher in the street, bible in hand, who rants on and on even when all the shoppers are studiously avoiding him. They are generally harmless and they think they are saving others from a fate worse than death.
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nope - i'm at a keyboard like the rest of you twits.
you are arguing to die and not be judged. I am arguing to accept God and not be judged. you will die and be judged. Maybe you get a pass from God because you aren't evil? That's up to the judge. The judge is the authority. So why hate that you are getting judged? From an early age you are put in a classroom of your peers and the teachers judge if you are smart or average or a dullard. then you go to high school - seperated out a bit by your teachers into A class kids and the rest. Judgement. Then you get exams - judgement then you get a job interview or two - they look at your spotty face and judge you. You work away and your foreman and superiors judge your performance. If you are a good worker you gat a pay rise, if you are a shirker - i'm sorry but it's not working out, we're downsizing. So you continue to work away - maybe you excel in some field and your peers judge that work. Then you retire - you look over your life's work and you judge yourself? then you die - the newspaper folk write an obituary and say you were an arse or a God. judging your whole life. So why stop there? the whole of humanity judged your sorry ar se? God gets to do it... unless you were smart enough to get the free pass.... were you smart enough? tell me above in the new posts... |
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Genesis 4:25
http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Gen%204.25 25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed7 for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”[/i] Well i never. Adam had Seth at 130 years old. Its certainly entertaining this Bible Ill give it that.... Im looking for the passage between races zorro |
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here... here is more ammunition... i'll point it out to you you devil you?
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