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did jesus of the new testament exist??
did jesus of the new testament exist??
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I'm not Evil and resent being called Evil and being told I'm going to hell if I don't believe
in the unbelievable.When I'm dead I'm not going anywhere you only have to see someone in their final moments clinging on to their last minutes on this Earth to realize nothing exists after. |
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You say nobody brainwashed you but look at all the nonsensical stuff you're posting on here.
You were brainwashed from birth like the rest of us. No one escapes it. You kicked it into touch for a while, at least on the outside, when the hormones kicked in as you thought it was cool to rebel. Like a recovering alcoholic you came back to it in your twenties, one drink and you were back on the drug, a hopeless case. Enjoy your addiction and stop trying to get others hooked is my message. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjI8MRfVjlE
THE SHOCKING LIFE OF JESUS - PETER KREEFT PHD ALSO TALKS ABOUT SEX, BOREDOM AND THE THRILL OF SPORTS. |
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HE POINTS OUT THAT PEOPLE ARE EMBARRASSED BY THE NAME OF JESUS, UNLIKE BUDDHA AND MOHAMMED.
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"BEAUTY IS A MAGNET"...
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I'll watch that later Vel, Have to go out for a while.
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I have been there mate. Not a nice thing. But it's just a body. The soul is eternal. You are happy with original sin. You will not accept the spirit, or ask for the holy spirit to come to you - so you are content to live with your sins. You may not be actively evil and oppose Christ and his teachings. All of God's prophets? If you are in opposition to good you are evil. I'm not condemning anyone here, I want everyone to get to God. But a fact is a fact. If you are in opposition - you are the enemy. Saul was the opposition and flipped and became Paul. He killed Christians. He took the place of Judas as the twelfth apostle.
ordinary people don't blaspheme against Jesus. Only people damaged by religion or some other evil come to oppose Christ. Christ is God and religion is a system of Man. |
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Me just back from shops...got Maureen Lipman book for 50p and even more reduced felt pens...
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"Behold, I make all things new."
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some nice analogies there Foinavon, I'm an alcoholic? a rebellious teenager and drug addict and my hormones are raging.
a quivering mess - nice picture you have painted there - so far the only one of note. [ This image is no longer available. ] |
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One thing only - I don't drink or take medicines.
I swim, I used to run. I gamble within my means. Hardly the degenerate portrait is it - even couched in the figurative terms you are hinting at. I chose Christ as a weapon to hit my brother with in arguments about atheism. Just like you do now. Only I looked at the bible too long, I started to read it. Jesus cannot be a man. No man can spring up after a 700 year prophecy and change the world because of the words of that prophet. Even if you could engineer it with an army. There is no way to make it bloom. 2017 Anno Domini - we base the years on a dead jewish teacher? not Alexander the great or some caesar. the world's axis is with Christ. |
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The historical evidence for Jesus himself is extraordinarily good. …. From time to time people try to suggest that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, but virtually all historians of whatever background now agree that he did
NT Wright, Oxford & St Andrews Universities, in the Guardian got to go to the shops... you can post smack about God now... Father in heaven , why? you are an awful father... you gave me life and no money to bet with... you are mean. Bad bad dad. they want blessings but they don't want God? But Satan understands. Watch Lucifer on FOX. He feels your pain. |
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It's an analogy, Zorro, look it up if you don't fully understand the meaning of the word.
Listened to some of the video Vel but it turns out to be a sermon rather than a logical discussion (well the bits I heard were). Considering some of the outlandish claims about Jesus, it's hardly surprising that some people are embarrassed to admit they are Christians. |
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It's impossible to prove whether Jesus existed or not and in a way, it doesn't matter.
It's what people claim about him today that is important and the validity of those claims. I posted that on 22 Jan. Worth repeating when zorro keeps reposting Bishop Wright's assertion. Itinerant preachers and would-be messiahs were ten a penny in Roman occupied Judea, not difficult to pick one and build some myths around him recycling old stories. The would-be messiahs knew the prophecies and would have been at pains to enact them. Matthew 21:2 1As they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent out two disciples. 2“Go to the village ahead of you, He told them, “and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt beside her. Untie them and bring them to Me. 3If anyone questions you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away.” Why did he specify a donkey? Because he knew of the prophecy. A cynical enactment to sway public opinion it would seem. |
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But a fact is a fact
These were your words zorro. You havnt proven a single thing other than posting opinions. You are listening to what other humans have thought a message might mean on events they were told happened or that all widely agree didnt happen but believe acts as an allegory. Tell me what YOU think is the answer to this. You put great emphasis on the second coming of Jesus based on Christianity. You also imply the messages are essentially ethereal, spiritual or analogy like metaphors (that by definition have no proving nor disproving) But the second coming will be a real event in your mind. Within the house of Christianity the factions that were encouraged to interpret the works pretty much agree that Jesus will return, but some say satan will return first to trick those expecting Jesus. I asked you yesterday how you would determine between the two and you said essentially Jesus wouldnt be doing tricks. The how do you distinguish him from man?(and false idol) Theres a whole physical problem that satan will attempt to trick in the guise of Jesus, Jesus wont overtly prove himself and man can determine neither and even within the same house of religion disagree fundamentally as to whether one or two will come or what they will do. It says that even those with faith will fall. |
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For the likes of Newton to be heavily pursuaded of religion isnt surprising in itself. He was a genius of his time but he would likely be out of his depth in science of today.
Nevertheless the likelihood could well be that those who set out to tackle the hard questions get frustrated when they still have no answer to the whole picture, and as a result revert to the texts to complete the unknowns and establish meaning or worth of their personal existence. Which is why religion continues to this day, people who cant justify themselves in relation to things and make no attempt to create a scientific experiment, that by the definition of science is something that can be tested by anyone and the results recreated. Religion have no tests that have a result or undisputed conclusion. Unless you care to divulge exactly what you think you got in this like for your faith? |
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'reason' is what we all use to regulate our own actions. If we act without regulation we act in the form of the insane, interpret things wrongly and become fanatical. It is the start on the journey to hearing voices and acting in egregious ways in the belief its what the true meaning of doctrine was. |
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sorry lads - it's almost time to go - try and hold on to your nuts in the roasting.
Foinavon should watch the holocaust denial film out just now - if he's denying history. The historical evidence for Jesus himself is extraordinarily good. …. From time to time people try to suggest that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, but virtually all historians of whatever background now agree that he did NT Wright, Oxford & St Andrews Universities, in the Guardian   This year yer ballz are in the fire and the broil begins. |
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Dustybin has felt ears like Hartley the hare -
I said Jesus returns the way he went, from the sky with angels. satan will say he's here, he's there.... do not go there, it tells you it's a bluff. Bluffing is what you guys do - it's a bluff from start to finish - all through your lives. Lies and bluffs. Satan doesn't pretend to be Jesus, He intends to replace him. There is a difference. Theresa may replaced David cameron, she's not pretending to be him. |
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hey Dusty - that's the most imbecilic thing I've every read -
"For the likes of Newton to be heavily pursuaded of religion isnt surprising in itself. He was a genius of his time but he would likely be out of his depth in science of today." Would he be sweeping the streets with a dust cart doffing his hat to you then? |
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I do not deny history zorro when there is reliable evidence.
I strongly resent your implication that I would deny the holocaust and suggest that you withdraw it immediately. I was around at the time of the Eichmann trial in 1961 and saw excerpts on TV and read witness statements in the newspapers. There is also plenty of other documented evidence for it. |
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One must be an upright man, of good comportment.
Be aware of the finer things in life. Be a man that keeps up with all things scientific. when meeting the clergy in the street to give them a hail and hearty greeting , but as soon as they pass, raise a finger or two in their direction. Be ever two faced when going into churches, chapels or cathedrals for marriages and christenings or Allah forbid Funerals. When reading books try and keep to the reading list left by father and the lodge. Make deals with the pressed thumb and try and travel to as many golf courses as you can in your life to see the best vistas out there. Above all.. guard your 250 square feet of lawn on your property. Shoo the neighbours kids off the lawn. But a pair of tweezers and maintain the lawn as best you can. Thus sayeth the lords. They have a patch of earth and must guard it. |
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What Historians are you okay with then?
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you love the Darwin experts - but hate the historical experts - they both look into the past?
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Dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago ?
Yes, i believe that... Jesus lived 2000 years ago ? I cannot believe that ? recorded history about 8,000 years? Historians abstract history of the globe without witness statements, about 4.5 Billion years. Evolutionists. We cannot believe the historians... yah. |
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zorro......argument from authority has always and will always be a poor one
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Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day. Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus. skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire) Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today. Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance. in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed. No proof of God ? How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it? All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head? |
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muslims have plenty of history........600 years after yours........is their religion true??
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going by your logic...........what about Mormons.........plenty of recordable history.......surely that's true
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No - because it's not based on prophecy - jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies.
the odds of that is astronomical in the extreme. Satan met Muhammid and buttered him up. Muhammid stole all that he could of the jewish books, christian books, changed jesus' story - made jesus a liar, (while the bible existed). he couldn't write, he killed, raped, boys and girls, tortured and stole. what crimes did Christ commit? what one is a valid ? They both have history Muhammad existed, so did Jesus. |
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Again Satan met some chump in a forest. and buttered him up - again they changed bible texts and deny Christ's divinity. same pattern
It's like you have a genuine Rolex watch from God dated 33 AD and some guy rolls up and wants to swap it for the 1820's version.. How dumb is that. |
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Southpark morons.
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Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day. Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus. skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire) Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today. Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance. in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed. No proof of God ? How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it? All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head? |
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zorro....you are a Christian who believes in adam and eve and god was responsible for the big bang.......talk about having your cake and eating it
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tell me you don't surely believe dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time.......are ken ham??
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are you*
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I think that history is not a scientific testable fact. That there are no universal constants that are set. That they are all maintained by God. If god can will matter into being he can do anything he wishes - if the speed of light was faster in the past, like Barry Setterfield (physicist ) maintains. Then a billion years can pass at the same rate as a day. (like Rod Taylor views time in the time machine) supposedly in the big bang? matter was moving faster than it is now? usually in an explosion all the forces move quicker at the start? But the big bang theory has only been around since 1926?, by Georges LeMaitre - a Belgian Priest, friend to Einstein. So it's a religious concept. Not to be trusted?
http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html |
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19429-laws-of-physics-may-change-across-the-universe/
new scientist Another author on the paper, Michael Murphy of Swinburne University in Australia, understands the caution. But he says the evidence for changing constants is piling up. “We just report what we find, and no one has been able to explain away these results in a decade of trying,” Murphy told New Scientist. “The fundamental constants being constant is an assumption. We’re here to test physics, not to assume it.” Earth sits somewhere in the middle of the extremes for alpha. If correct, the result would explain why alpha seems to have the finely tuned value that allows chemistry – and thus life – to occur. Grow alpha by 4 per cent, for instance, and the stars would be unable to produce carbon, making our biochemistry impossible. |
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https://arstechnica.com/science/2011/11/fundamental-constants-are-not-constant-or-maybe-they-are-we-dont-know-really/
make a straight path for the Lord. |