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what's happening in France with the two state solution?
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FAO lmfao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln5fVgM0gLQ |
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religion of Ghengis Khan?
Did jesus ever order a beheading? (someone out there will be looking through the old testament tonight?). |
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But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase."
when many will rush here and there - immigration and air travel. knowledge will increase - google it, the internet and millions of books. |
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Ron- interesting take expressed on the video- i didnt get one single ref to historical books/records of the time nor her credentials - where did she get this from?
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ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts. Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge. Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it. |
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imfao - total lies and bull. good luck when you meet him. you do have a lovely vocab.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ Tacitus Josephus on Jesus. Mara Bar-Serapion on Jesus. Roman Judea. Suetonius on Christians. Sources for the historicity of Jesus. the dead sea scrolls are jewish books (CONFIRMED BY CARBON DATING - 167 BCE - 233 CE) old testement the old testement has a book called isaiah - The Suffering Servant: blessings of redemption come to the nation and grace for the Gentiles because the Servant will be exalted from the lowly place by His death on behalf of the sins of the people as a reparation offering (52:13—53:12). 800 years before christ. book of Daniel tells of the redeemers coming to the day 33 ad when christ enters jerusalem (550 years before) and a guy shows up - says all those neat things, cures people, comes back to life and tells his followers you will do things greater than I. What was it the apostles did that was greater than what jesus did? It was to spread the word and give mankind redemption. to make it possible for everyone to claim everlasting life with God. But it's free choice - you can't force people to love you. (unless you are fred west?) the offer is love from god - slap it away you mugs. |
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http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/
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four days
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Not a question you to answer zorro
But are you of the Jewish or Christian faith? Just out of interest |
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Not a question for the High St BG.
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Catholic - atheist up to age 25. believer for 24 years.
born Catholic, hated Catholicism, going to churches. Rituals and dead words repeated every Sunday like a monk's chant. I went to a service about ten years ago and it was the same service word for word from 1975? broken by a token sermon. No Scripture being explored? Like a song being sung without understanding the meaning of the words. (the bible makes all of us priests, all of us the church. no permissions needed when reaching out to God) The Jewish people are God's chosen people. That's why they are hated. This is Satan's kingdom. The fallen world that Adam bequeathed to Satan. the OLD TESTAMENT is about LAW and the Jewish people. God gave them laws and blood sacrifice to keep them clean. But Law cannot do anything but condemn and animal sacrifice cannot keep you clean for long. So God gave us GRACE(the new testament), first to the gentiles, then the Jews.(For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in). Jesus will come back and claim the gentiles first then Israel will follow. Israel will turn to Christ, they are currently blinded to him. intentionally so. Satan has attacked Christ's bloodline throughout the old testament and even after his death, in revenge. Jews have been chased from 70 AD up until present day. But the gentiles brought them back to the holy land with the Balfour declaration in 1918, then 7x7 years later in 1967 they took back Jerusalem.(7x7=the jubilee 49 years)it's now two days till the next jubilee. the Shmita, the sabbath year is a cycle of seven years. If Christ was born in the year 6 BC? then if you cycle through every seven years of history you might see some interesting dates. 70 AD Rome destroys Jerusalem and chases the Jews from the holy land. year 637(behold the abomination and desolation. Omar conquers Jerusalem after Muhammad is dead by ten years. the PATRIACH SOPHRONIUS REMEMBERS THE WORDS OF CHRIST. since then the Muslims have built upon the temple site. Earthquakes has raised their structures to the ground many times.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque) 1918 matches up on the seven year cycle. 1967 too. 1973 yom kippur. 1980 us courts.1987 stock markets.1994 oslo accord.2001/2 twintowers/war.2008/9 markets crash.2016?famine? every jubilee the jews are judged for a blessing or curse from God. God makes promises that are kept. he can wait on his time scale, it's not a man's time scale. His Kingdom comes, his will be done. a man that believes in Christ can be proven to be right if Christ returns. a man who doesn't believe in God, can't disprove there is no god. |
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zorro
The Jewish people are God's chosen people. That's why they are hated. This is Satan's kingdom. The fallen world that Adam bequeathed to Satan. Nobody is God's chosen people. After the Roman Diaspora, the Jews tried to maintain their religion and their bloodline wherever they settled. This always mad them outsiders and they suffered for it. They would not integrate into the societies they settled in. Anyway they are back home, although personally I don't that land belongs to them anymore, but I doubt they will move again. |
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The Palestinian Arabs were the losers, but tbh they gotta accept it, the young ones must move on, the old get yourself drunk and think
of the old days. The same happened to the native Americans in their own land. Sometimes life just ain't fair. We need to stop all this killing. |
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The whole of the old testement bible is a love poem between God and His Chosen people. Pick it up and read it. The land was given to Abraham(who the Muslim's recognize as their ancestor too). Abrahamic Covenant. Abraham walked through animal sacrifices in a figure eight (which is now called a moebius strip) (Some 3,500 years ago the Canaanites inhabited the land that God promised to give to the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. God promised that He would give the land of Israel to the Jewish people as an eternal possession. The promise was unconditional. God confirmed it at least 55 times with an oath and stated at least 12 times that the covenant was everlasting (see Bible for references).
the palestinians are the Normans in the UK. the picts are back home. |
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I looked at Wikipedia for my information on Jewish History rather than the Old Testament, it is a little shorter.
It was the Roman Emperor Hadrian who drove the Jews out of Judea in 123 AD rather than Satan. Some Jews still remained in Judea and in other places in the Middle East. The Romans never liked the Jews much. The Jews are as much a faith as a people. With conversions in and out, marriage in and out, one wonders whether modern Jews have a great deal of DNA connection to those that were driven out. The were plenty of Jewish diasporas before the Roman ones, the Assyrians, the Babylonians they were in Egypt for a while. A troubled people. |
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AD 70 - Emperor Titus destroys Jerusalem. aka the siege of Jerusalem.
the Golden Gate (Jerusalem)- which Jesus might have used to enter the city (palm sunday ). AD 33 was bricked up to stop the messiah, by the Muslim's because the Jews still believed the messiah was to come. AD 810 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_%28Jerusalem%29 ) too late by 777 years ? such an odd number. 7 being the number in Jewish numerology being God. six being man. |
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Closed by the Muslims in 810, reopened in 1102 by the Crusaders, it was walled up by Saladin after regaining Jerusalem in 1187. Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent rebuilt it together with the city walls, but walled it up in 1541, and it stayed that way until today.[5]
I have to correct you on dates there Zorro..on account in AD33 M had not even been born...so there were no Muslims |
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First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE) Subsequent Roman Emperor Vespasian crushed this one(Tito his son)
Kitos War (115–117 CE) Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE) in the reign of Emperor Hadrian Jews were banned from Judea All for Jewish independence....all lost...difficult to defeat the Romans at this time. |
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forgot a full stop..... i have a habit of not proof reading my typing.
AD 33 - death of Christ. bricked up 810 AD. I am aware Muhammad was somewhat later. anniversary today - tenth of June. Sabbath tomorrow. |
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zorrostrikes • June 10, 2016 1:19 AM BST
forgot a full stop..... i have a habit of not proof reading my typing. you are not the only one Zorro ![]() The Bible is strange really. It is only the New Testament which is about Jesus. The Old Testament is a Jewish History???????????????? I suppose that is why you seem to believe in both Judaism and Christianity Zorro You don't like the Muslims, then nobody does on here, so you are not alone there. |
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you aren't getting it at all. It's a quite mental book. I'd describe it as a multi dimensional book. Some of it is literal. some of it metaphorical. Some of it is poetry. some of it is brutal.
The old testement is ALL ABOUT JESUS. not just the new testement. The word was with god and was god. there's a passage when jesus meets two apostles on the road after his death and they don't recognize him at first.(maybe because he's been brutalized, battered by the romans prior to his death, he might still be that way). (luke 24:13) HE said to them - How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all the prophets have spoken. Did not the massiah(christ)have to suffer these things and then enter his glory.AND BEGINNING WITH MOSES and ALL THE PROPHETS, He explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself. Jesus is part of God, yet seperate. Some people see the trinity as a mystery. But water can be ice or water and steam. All different qualities of the same substance. All things were made through him. Jesus is preternatural. He's with God at the beginning as well as now. A lot of mentions in the bible of "the angel of the Lord" which some bible scholars see as a Jesus figure. When God enters our world it's too much for the senses. The jews when they reached the mountain ran from him and they made told Moses that they didn't want that experience again. Who could stand before the lord and live. So he became a man. flesh. for our sake. the burning bush is another weird manifestation that could also be explored? Lastly the holy spirit. right now he's the crucial part of god keeping society afloat. the bible says when he withdraws from the word. Men will turn on their brothers and they will kill each other. All the prophets mention the coming messiah, Isaiah annd Daniel go into great detail about him. THE JEWS DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIM and because of this they have been blinded until the Fullness of the gentiles is completed. Jewish Sabbath tomorrow. Jubilee year. Something might happen? |
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Something might happen?
![]() tbh I have never read it or ever likely to zorro ![]() We had RE classes at school, I don't remember much except the basics Jesus has always seemed a good man to me |
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nope.
he asked peter who am i? look it up. - King James Bible And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. |
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Christ - mean saviour, the messiah.
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Jesus goes into a synagogue (not the start of a joke?)
he deliberately only read the portion which was fulfilled by his first coming. He stopped mid sentence, told them it was fulfilled that day - the synagogue exploded and they called him blasphemer and took him to the edge of a cliff to stone him. Luke 4:17-21 New International Version (NIV) 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[a] 20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” -------------- Isaiah 61King James Version (KJV) 61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; still to come - and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; etc. |
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Is it ok to mention that a few years back i visited Jesus in his tomb in Kashmir?
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For 650 years Jesus and his followers told their story. Then another story appeared to discredit them? who profits from that?
Yeah - I have carbon dated books to the first century of eye witnesses writing down what they saw regarding Jesus. The Adversary of Satan, who's the ruling spirit of this world. Jesus won the victory and has snatched all who believe in Him, the Father and the holy spirit. By his holy sacrifice his blood covers all believers making it possible to go in front of god blameless. Jesus led a blameless life fulfilling the prophecies of the old testament. (if you are a betting man the odds against that are so big there isn't enough atoms in this universe to one.) The sore loser Satan knows he lost. So 600 years later he makes up lies and tells these distortions to a violent tribal leader who killed many. He also uses this strategy across the board creating other false witness religions in 1830 Mormonism, 1870 Jehovah witnesses. who's testimony is more trust worthy the man who comes to you first or the man who comes to you last. If i have a valuable book I hide it in a library. That's what Satan is doing. Make your choice the original texts or the copies. Parts of the bible are 3,500 years old. pre dates Buddist teachings. |
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Zorro, I am battling, insomnia, body clock fcked, sorry for the expletive. but I love music and I want to share this with you. If anybody didn't believe before hearing it, then they should afterwards. it's Carrie Underwood, How great Thou Art. have a listen, you won't be disappointed . or will you. let me know in a few minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX15hq2VxdQ&list=FLpipWZslg6HjAhvjNij_HPQ&index=14
afterwards you might like the full version without the long musical (middle eight) break and get all the verses |
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Sorry that link is not working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX15hq2VxdQ&index=14&list=FLpipWZslg6HjAhvjNij_HPQ that one does, if this is not one of the most powerful Hymns you have ever heard then I will stop singing. |
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when I was an atheist I used to sing that in church with all the other kids when we were forced to go in the seventies/eighties. Good song, there are a few on the good side. Ave Maria became a favourite after seeing ALIVE. Loved music as a kid, but I am wary of it now. Saw Robbie Williams sign a 80 million pound contract with EMI on the news(2002), a pentagram in the background wall. Not a poster? painted on the wall. He really delivered the goods since. Makes you wonder what a 'record deal' is?
Music is a manipulative force. Tribes men used it in ceremonies to evoke a spiritual response. The news even plays sad music over news reports now. Movies and soundtracks are all geared to wind you up into a frenzy of emotion to get you to hate or love the characters in the movies. IT IS NOT A PASSIVE MEDIUM. Saying all that I do have music favourites. I don't have albums but collect singles. I don't follow singers/bands- prefer their best output. I like ennio morricone, he uses voices as instruments, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOy6M_X2MO8)(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-rHdSWZLpQ ). |
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Good man, That was magical, I was classically trained, buts that's another story. I ignore narrative and enjoy the emotion / performance......" Saw Robbie Williams sign a 80 million pound contract with EMI" The infamous I'm rich beyond my wildest dreams,....summation of of our society, I am a singer, so I believe that I control that aspect of my being /conscious, Thank you for that link, superb!!
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Can you believe that Girl in the contest. The other contestants must have thought what the hang is this? blown out of the water?
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There are singers, then there are angels, in the vocal sense. she is one, my vocal coach was another, Ana Raquel Satre, just incredible.....before her time
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I have been paid fortunes when I have sung, (to stop
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no words just a voice as an instrument. Morricone does this all the time. Uses trumpets too.
In the jewish lore - Satan was in charge of worship before the fall. http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-music.html |