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The FTSE was marked down today on opening, and the very late 400 point Santa rally is fizzling out.
Very hard to predict where it's going next unless we see further sharp drops and stopping volume to change the situation. It'll take a mighty effort to stay above 6,400, and three times it's been supported below the 6,000. I don't think many people are feeling bullish at the moment. |
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saw a analyst om CNBC TV last week
said 2016 market would jump 15%  |
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^ Think he meant Camden market.
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Old Chinese proverb:
'Sometimes the markets are sweet, sometimes they are sour' |
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The Leopard
Joined: 05 Apr 06 Replies: 26602 04 Jan 16 11:37 Think he meant Camden market.  |
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said 2016 market would jump 15%
And why shouldn't his guess be as good as anyone else's? |
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the whole world trying to ride on the back of china,basicaly a communist country who puts out any figures they like,when they said they were growing at 20% it was more likely 10 and now there saying 5 or 6 there probably in recession,and gideons spent the last 6 years selling them the family silver
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Of course the only reason China's market only lost 7% was because If the market drops 7 percent in any single day, the market closes for the day, as they have a "circuit breaker" in place. i.e. It may have dropped more!
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Nothing to worry about for the man in the street.
The economy can be booming or busting but it won't make any difference to him - he'll still be skint. As long as Labour aren't in power we'll get by. |
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I'm not convinced. All of this QE is robbing everyone. The value of money is going down. Companies are making less profit and wage increases have virtually ceased to exist for many. We're doomed I tell ya!
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Dr Crippen
Joined: 16 Apr 02 Replies: 21744 04 Jan 16 14:38 said 2016 market would jump 15% And why shouldn't his guess be as good as anyone else's? he also said it for 2015 |
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btw, 95% of the analysts on CNBC/Bloomberg try to talk the market up as they want their fees! You cannot believe a word 95% of them say.
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Yes stow, you'll never hear one telling investors to put their money in cash.
They always tell investors to switch funds so they can get even more commission from them. |
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My solution is to remove all the rich....not likely to be popular on this thread
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Also population control is needed
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Hopefully this drop is not world wide
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CAUSE IT WILL BE WORLDWIDE because like lambs to the slaugter the west have all bought into fantasy island growth figures for the last 20 years from china no questions asked, the new world economy was built on emerging markets all of which have either stopped or slowing down,we,re only left with our own cheap money ,debt fueled, spending frenzy,it aint going to end pretty believe me
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This drop may be just a precursor to a bigger drop,this has just been in anticipation of bigger falls on Friday when a trading suspension is lifted and bigger falls are anticipated. Nervousness could trigger panic selling as we have seen to our cost,remember the chinese have been wild gamblers on their stock market in recent years with large gains.
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ebulGery
Joined: 08 May 10 Replies: 18686 04 Jan 16 18:47 Hopefully this drop is not world wide its all connected bud,they all follow each other |
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Around 90 percent of professionals will also underperform the market averages over their careers
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Uk Bear markets don't last very long if you look at the charts.
Bull markets go on far longer. The trick is to get out before the bear market starts. The FTSE100 has lost about a 1,000 points since April last year. Shanghai has fallen much further, but had been going up since a bottom in August after falling off a cliff. You have got to understand that it's the weight of money that forces markets to keep going higher and higher. And when there is buying, who is selling? Somebody must be. That weight of money has got to dry up at some point regardless of other factors. That is what causes the strong holders of shares to take their profits and finish a bull market, and without them the market is doomed to fall and stutter along. Until they decide it is time to start the cycle again. |
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The FTSE 100 has been hammered due to the proportion of commodities in the index.
The story that they are trying to sell is that China is moving to a more consumer led economy than an industrial led economy. The Shanghai market is manipulated by government policy and by banning short-selling of stocks or temporary banning of selling stocks from the larger holders when it suits them. Their market held up today as "The People's Bank of China (PBOC) injected 130 billion yuan ($19.95 billion) during its open market operations." Everyone is searching for yield and there's still tons of cheap money around. I'd expect more volatility, but don't see much reason for significant falls. I'm holding a good proportion of cash and have sold some equities & bought some more retail bonds. I'll have a play around the volatility. I bought some funds yesterday on weakness and I'll consider buying more on any further dips. My favourite two investment trusts for the long term are RIT Capital Partners and Foreign & Colonial and I still like some retail bonds. |
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down 7% ...
I'm getting out and investing in cutlery |
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The trick is to get out before the bear market starts?
most Ponzi schemes start because they fail to get back in |
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Another day of pain for locked in UK investors.
Looking at the chart, the FTSE is not yet back to where it was before the Santa rally where it went up on sparse volume. Even with these hefty drops there doesn't appear to be any heavy selling if you look at the volume. So the rally, was simply a money making scheme to suck in investors and lock them in. To be shaken out at lower prices - naturally. If not, what else was it for? |
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ftse 5900
Dow futures - 450 holy fook batman |
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austerity working well
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A buying opportunity
 or catching a falling knife?  They are now virtually giving the oil away. But for the tax man, we could be driving gas guzzling super cars, SUVs etc |
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The prices today don't mean anything to me. It's the price in 30 years time when I retire what counts. All I know is that the share I was going to buy anyway this month is 6% cheaper than last week.
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warren buffett is ok,he never sells
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The prices today don't mean anything to me
repeat 1000 x |
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The prices today don't mean anything to me
repeat 1000 x |
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Sell sell sell.
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crisp is right
its the time in the market,not timing the market |
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That's true crisp.
One thing you can be sure of is that there will be many times like this when it's all doom and gloom. And just as certain is that there will be times when the market is going sky high. |
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its the time in the market,not timing the market
Absolutely wrong xmoneyx. That's the line that financial salesmen spin. And a glance at the FTSE100 chart over the last fifteen years confirms it. |
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watch CNBC
aftertiming by is epic |
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The market is 1100 points lower now that it was at the end of 2000.
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