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China stockmarket down 7 %
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Looking at the Dow. That bottomed on the 25 August at 15666
I've got that nearly 500 points higher now!...........16153 |
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FTSE100 last 6 months
6688 to 5886 https://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=INDEXFTSE%3AUKX&ei=UemxVsn2JNS-UYj_rbgM&authuser=0 Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not looking for an argument, only a discussion. |
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btw I don't take so much notice of the DOW as there are only 30 stocks in that index.
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Like I said we're not looking at the situation from the same perspective.
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"We're Nearing The End" David Stockman Warns, Retail Investors Are "Heading For The Slaughter"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-03/were-nearing-end-david-stockman-warns-retail-investors-are-heading-slaughter |
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The market is up and down like a lady of the night's undergarments.
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Oil had a big spike up. I wonder if it's central bank intervention. I doubt we'll ever know.
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oil rose 8%
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The oil rise was a bi-product, it was a dollar spike down that caused it. (Oil priced in dollars)
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thx
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No joy for the bulls after this weeks trading.
Just waiting for them to drive it a lot lower now, then when the high volume appears start paying attention. Can't see it going far even if it rallies. Too many people waiting to get their money back as soon as it goes higher. They'll probably have a go at shaking them out at lower prices before they take the index up anyway. |
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My shares now down 26% YTD....however if I had the spare cash I would buy more.
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"System going well STOP Send more money STOP"
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I do not hold any equities, with the exception of any in pensions that I don't control. I have the majority in retail bonds and some in property funds and gilt funds in another pension I control. I have the biggest proportion of cash in the part of my portfolio that I control that I have ever had. I think the equities markets could be on the edge and cannot think of a single reason to get involved. I think we are heading for negative interest rates in the US and UK. The central bank meddling has acerbated the problems and I think that they made a huge mistake not letting the markets find a real bottom in 2008. I hope I am wrong.
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as an absolute novice surely the old system of pension investment is dead,theres absolute no chance of avoiding the many more frequent troughs over the lifetime of a pension,all those auto enrolled over the last 2 years with minimum contributions on both sides plus fees will have no money in the pot to take advantage of the upturns and will always be hammered by the downturns,its irresponsible for governments to encourage people to join these schemes
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It's ok if you can choose what to invest in. You can then play a lot safer with the bulk of your investments. i.e. A minimum in equities right now would be my suggestion. I find it very hard to see a return to any sort of normality in the foreseeable future. (< 10 years)
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for 99% of people been encouraged to join pensions or in pensions we,re talking a out people who have neither the inclination or the skills to pick their own portfolio,s ,if they had they wouldnt have waited years before they were forced into a pension by a government policy
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Markets have got much further to fall. The FTSE is top heavy with certain industries so not reflective of the economy as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if it drops below 4000 in the next six months.
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Bargains galore
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If you are brave/foolish enough to buy in, the suggested method is monthly drip feed. Do not try to call "the bottom". Let me tell you where I am on this, I'm OUT
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If it's foolish to buy now, what is the word to describe buying between March and May last year?
I'd feel a lot more comfortable about buying now than I would have then. Not that I'd jump in on the evidence that we're seeing at the moment. Nevertheless that could change very quickly once the signs appear. |
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stow i'm afraid i agree with you about negative interest rates, i too hope i am wrong. they've done it in scaninavia and one of the unintended consequences is ....... an even bigger housing bubble. none of the problems that led to the crisis have been addressed a nd the level debt is now even higher. charge. even if there isnt another outright crash there is no we are getting back to decent, sustainable levels of growth. i keep saying owning physical gold outside the banking sector is a must.
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all of the above may or may not be true but none of it is of any help to 99.9% of ordinary people with pensions,whose money in the system is the eqivalent of mug money in the early days of betfair
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HSBC have written to their business account holders ( current rate of interest 0% afaik ) that they have the right to charge a negative interest rate on deposits, with the usual notice period applying.
Nothing's changed yet, they're just letting their non-personal customers know. |
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for those worried ,stressful types about having money in the house my mattress guarded by a sawn off purdey and a baseball bat charges a highy competitive 0.2% to look after any deposits
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I'd think that a significant proportion of ordinary people with pensions do have a say on what funds their pension are invested in. They should contact their advisor's and find out. I don't have much sympathy for those that just sit back and let things happen to them.
My guess would be that any negative interest rates aren't likely to impact personal accounts any time soon. |
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THEY would like to abolish cash, so that THEY could help themselves to YOUR money at will.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html#axzz3zcFBxhW9 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-10/citi-economist-says-it-might-be-time-to-abolish-cash http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/11835603/Abolish-cash-Youd-be-losing-a-crucial-part-of-free-society.html |
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Negative interest rates even just for business accounts would spell the end of the exchange.
Unless PaddyPowerBetfair were prepared to take a hit, they would have to charge negative interest rates on customer account balances. With even most winners operating to wafer-thin margins after commission it would be suicidal to keep a balance on the exchange big enough to provide the sort of liquidity it needs. |
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cramer has called DOW 16000 near bottom
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I see Tesco have bucked the trend. This is one share that nobody on here or the experts had got any time for.
''As of last trade, Tesco PLC (TSCO:LSE) traded at 177.00, 29.20% above the 52 week low of 137.00 set on Jan 07, 2016.'' |
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How would negative interest rates on accounts be reflected in loans and mortgages?
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They'll be paying you to take one out. The bigger the debt the more you earn.
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Negative Interest Rates
http://www.bloombergview.com/quicktake/negative-interest-rates |
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chinese markets closed all week
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Will the FTSE hit 5,500 today
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Currently around 5518 but it did fall below 5500 earlier this morning.
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5500 is lower than 10 years ago
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5500 is lower than 16 years ago. The market finished just below 7000 (circa 6980?) at close on 31/12/1999.
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