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By:
xmoneyx
When: 11 Feb 16 11:31
16 years

OMG
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 11 Feb 16 11:31
6930 close 30/12/1999
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 11 Feb 16 11:32
Actually, over 17 years. It finished 1998 at 5883
By:
xmoneyx
When: 11 Feb 16 11:37
banks still have plenty of contagion


makes you fcuking fume,hidden truth
By:
brendanuk1
When: 11 Feb 16 16:25
seems the banks are fooked again CryCrazy
By:
1st time poster
When: 11 Feb 16 17:13
this is all on the believe that china is growing at 6,7% when in reality its probably in recession or growing at 1,2%,beggars belief that the finest brains in the money world and governments around the world have based the whole world economy on the word of a communist dictator,might as well believe every word north kores tells us,incredible,gideons dropped his growth fcasts 0.6% in 6 weeks and yet to hit a target in 6 years and as hailed by some as a guru
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 11 Feb 16 17:26
10 months into the bear market and no signs of the bottom yet.

Shares are getting cheaper every week.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 11 Feb 16 17:38
They can always dig up some reason for market volatility.

Shares are driven by prospects for company profits and there are a lot of profit warnings about.
When prospects improve, the major share traders will start accumulating shares ready for the rise.
Then the tide will turn and the rise will be no doubt be spectacular like it usually is.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 11 Feb 16 18:52
IF THE start of the year has been desperate for the world’s stockmarkets, it has been downright disastrous for shares in banks. Financial stocks are down by 19% in America. The declines have been even steeper elsewhere. Japanese banks’ shares have plunged by 36% since January 1st; Italian banks’ by 31% and Greek banks’ by a horrifying 60% (see chart). The fall in the overall European banking index of 24% has brought it close to the lows it plumbed in the summer of 2012, when the euro zone seemed on the verge of disintegration

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http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21692863-european-banks-are-eye-new-financial-storm-tempest-fear
By:
1st time poster
When: 11 Feb 16 18:57
the good dr
shares are driven by companies profits
at the height of the ftse tech boom companies wernt making any profits and valued at billions , Confused,
banks before the latest downturn were rebounding despite in some cases making large loss,s
short sellers betting on companies prices sqewing the markets has nothing to do with how their performing in some cases,if your targeted by these people doesnt matter how your performing your a gonner
By:
xmoneyx
When: 11 Feb 16 20:11
herd mentality

Dow jumped up 200 pts in 10 mins Crazy
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 11 Feb 16 21:02
at the height of the ftse tech boom companies wernt making any profits and valued at billions

Yes but you need to think a little deeper.

During the dotcom boom shares were driven higher by the prospects of sky high profits.

When these profits didn't materialise we all know what happened to the companies.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 11 Feb 16 21:07
Like I said earlier; when the prospects for higher profits improve the major traders will start accumulating shares.

It's a pity I had to spell it out and the point was missed the first time I wrote it.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 12 Feb 16 00:47
NIKKEI

down 3.5% opening
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Feb 16 09:13
FTSE100 marked up at the open this time.

Even amongst all the doom and gloom were are plenty of buyers about yesterday.

These aren't your average punters buying who are manipulated by the news and the press. They buy all the way down playing the long game.
They still get their returns from the dividends and history has proved this to be a much sounder tactic that buying when the market is soaring.
By:
Crisp77
When: 12 Feb 16 09:18
The folks living off dividends now have to pay 7.5% more tax if it is more than £5k per year and not in an ISA or pension.
By:
Money Tree cost me thousands!!
When: 12 Feb 16 10:26
My three aim shares are valueless now and think will go tits up.
By:
1st time poster
When: 12 Feb 16 11:57
re dividends
the wife was getting some info of bt sharescheme about wrapping her bt shares inside an isa wrapper and the advisor told her if she put them in an isa you dont get any dividends,surely that cant be right is it ?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Feb 16 12:13
He probably means you don't get tax relief on your dividends.
Or perhaps he meant that they'd be reinvested for her.
You still get the dividends one way or another.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 12 Feb 16 13:24
Oil at 13-year low
- Global stocks down 20% since May
- US & European banks hit
- Gold at year-high
By:
brendanuk1
When: 12 Feb 16 13:47
lump on
By:
1st time poster
When: 12 Feb 16 13:56
you maybe right dr,the wife wanted the dividends to still be payed twice yearly into her everyday acc as of now,at least there tax free up to 5 grands worth from april
By:
Stow_judge
When: 12 Feb 16 14:17
Yes, share dividends are taxed in ISAs and pensions at 20%, I believe. Retail bond dividends are not taxed in ISAs and pensions.
By:
Stow_judge
When: 12 Feb 16 14:20
That was how it was of course. I was forgetting the changes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/shares/11737430/New-dividend-tax-how-it-works-and-how-to-avoid-it.html
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Feb 16 17:21
FTSE100 up 170 today.

They must have all read my post at 09:13 this morning.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 12 Feb 16 18:13
Excited
By:
Gin
When: 15 Feb 16 17:03
Rally time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmfE4KAZicY
By:
jollyswagman
When: 24 Feb 16 16:59
is the rally over? we seem to be heading back down. on the other hand gold has resumed its upward move.
By:
Stow_judge
When: 24 Feb 16 17:57
I'd presume that it was only viewed as a technical rally, as some thought the market was temporarily oversold.
If you can think of some positive factors that might weigh against this tidal wave of risks, then I'll be amazed!


    Negative factors        Positive factors   
    Oil price collapse symbolic of weak worldwide demand           
    Chinese $30 trillion debt           
    Brexit           
    Worldwide debt           
    ISIS           
    European migrant crisis           
    Hong Kong real estate bubble collapsing           
    Banks bad debts still a problem after 2008 crisis           
    UK Consumer credit binge           
By:
jollyswagman
When: 24 Feb 16 18:18
but stow as long as house prices are rising everything's fine isnt it?

i just wish one of our leaders would tell the truth and then we could face the day of reckoning and start again. i've mentioned iceland before on here, they jailed high up bankers who engaged in illegal activity, didnt bail out the banks, took the short term pain and then their recovery started.

instead the titanic drifts on. how long will the public be stupid enough to put up with this? we are nearly a decade into this madness and there is no sign of the people in charge seeing sense. how long until we get negative interest rates, helicopter drops and possible cash bans? even if there isnt another massive crash we will end up with lost decades just like the japanese.

i hope you've bought some gold, its real money. even if it goes down in a deflationary spiral its still a hard asset and will have some value unlike many paper assets. i should keep the larder well stocked too.

we're doomed, in or out of europe.

i dont want to be all doom and gloom but i dont see any positives. prepare for greatly reduced living standards.
By:
GAZO
When: 24 Feb 16 18:59
so i take it you dont think hs2 will save the economy
By:
jollyswagman
When: 24 Feb 16 19:09
Laugh it might save a few conservative seats at westminster and that's far more important to gideon.
By:
Stow_judge
When: 24 Feb 16 19:11
The Department for Transport estimated the cost of hs2 to be £43 billion. A study by the Institute of Economic Affairs suggested a total cost of £80 billion. That's another 37 billion we'll have to find for that one! We are absolutely skint as it is!
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 24 Feb 16 19:45
On the 24 August 2015 the FTSE100 hit a two and a half year low and ended the day at 5898.

Today the 24 February 2016 six months later , it ended the day on 5867.

Despite the doom and gloom and the prospects of a financial Armageddon, the FTSE 100 has been going nowhere for six months.
By:
Gin
When: 25 Feb 16 09:06
To be fair Dr C that statement is a bit disingenuous. Although your numbers are correct, if you look at 12th August 2015 the FTSE closed at 6752 (before dropping like a stone over the next two weeks).

As you say, it closed at 5867 yesterday.

So the FTSE 100 has declined 12% over the last 6 months and two weeks.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 25 Feb 16 09:12
the wild swings in stock markets worldwide arent a good sign
By:
Money Tree cost me thousands!!
When: 25 Feb 16 09:20
We won't need hs2 if we out of the eu
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 25 Feb 16 10:22
To be fair Dr C that statement is a bit disingenuous

gin, my statement is not disingenuous in the slightest.

It is the way that you interpreted the figures which is misleading.

We have to use major turning points as our benchmarks for rises or drops to make any sense.

Even putting a 25 day moving average through the data doesn't show a 12% decline since August 2015.
More like 4%.
A five day moving average which is more representative has the bottom later but is almost level at today's point showing hardly any drop at all.
By:
Gin
When: 25 Feb 16 11:22
DR C

I’m not looking for an argument – just pointing out that you picked a point in time that had just been preceded by large falls.

If you had made a statement about how the markets had fared in the last 6 months on this thread just two weeks ago, it would have been completely different.

In fact from 11 Aug 2015 to 11 Feb 2016 the FTSE dropped from 6664 to 5537 – a drop of 17%.

As I say, I’m not looking for an argument but feel that posting what you did without putting in the context of the big falls just two weeks prior (although you did mention that it was a low) is a bit misleading.

Maybe you don’t – other people can make their own mind up.
By:
Money Tree cost me thousands!!
When: 25 Feb 16 11:23
Do any of you invest in aim listed companies.
I now refuse to put money into them as just a pay machine for the directors.
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