Correct dusty and all pointless. We are at war and the enemy are here. Candles and flags and songs are useless. If you live in a city and want to go out buy a bullet resistant vest.

The west is inextricably linked to the middle east because of oil so this has created our direct involvement with the area and its politics - perhaps we need to consider alternative energy opportunities - the sooner we do so then we can leave that part of the world to evolve as it determines for itself. Somehow the majority might then decide they should be friendly to us as oil revenues subside and they realise that a medieval existence is not how they want to live

And just in case there is anyone that doesn't know Saudi Arabia is protected by the US as long as their oil is only sold  in dollars. It's the only thing keeping the whole world from financial collapse or/and world war. Any terrorist outrages are just a sideshow no matter how many there are.

Replay on ch 4 +1 of panic

Things changed with Bosnia ,even before 9/11. The west didnt get any credit for saving Bosnia from teh  Serbs. Looking back we should wonder why we pursued Karadicz so much. No gratitude and a lot of muslim videos and hate preaching began after that.

On another point there was a website stating that 40% of UK muslims did not agree with democracy because only God could decide laws. Since they don't have the sense to understand that it is often a hate filled Imam interpreting the word of God they may just as well worship the moonies or pagans but that point is lost on them.

There is no such thing as god. Never has been, never will be. Fact!!!!!!

I can't prove there is....

But you can't prove there isn't...can you?

they better hope he excists if putin sends his reportedly 150,000 ground troops in

marquemiwerdz 15 Nov 15 19:42
Didn't scientists say that we evolved from ponds. Long live the Pond God. I see  Y & T recently, that Dave Meniketti is a rock god,
and he exists.

What page of the Qu'uran are you citing as evidence of this "evolving" lark?

If you aren't quoting directly from the good book it didn't happen.

you lot are off

they hate us and they want to take over

get it into your heads

read the publications, the book the hadiths and the forums

then you will know where the kuffur stand

Whilst taking full account and agreeing with mighty's proposal about us putting our foreign policy in order we can't look at this from too much of a western centric perspective. At the same time as the Charlie Hebdo attacks were happening and a few people were losing their lives there were about 2000 losing their lives at the hands of Boko Harum in Nigeria. Similarly from a cite giving an Israeli friendly view so I haven't corroborated the figures:

“Some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.”

I'll be long dead eeter. Probably get a bit of anarchy first followed by military dictatorship, although it would be better if we could skip the anarchy bit.

they are also extremely prone to the need for messiahs and prophets for whom they hold a completely blind and irrational devotion, regardless of facts and reality.
to them it is unimaginable that obama can be responsible despite all this being directly linked to the arab spring, the engineered removal of stable states like libya, syria, almost egypt etc, and the total and sudden withdrawal from stable iraq which split it and in combination with syrias drawn out civil war created the isis vacuum, so therefore a scapegoat must be found or created. and when obama does less to isis in years than russia does in days they shout "rejoice". when obama says "no boots on the ground" they shout "halleujah", and when obama sends in boots they cry "praise the lord", and when obama repeatedly bombs over an hour a known and identified msf hospital killing dozens they keep very, very quiet.
and to them the prophet al gore has spoken, science is now "settled" and all who question the word shall punished and cast out.

another trait is the belief that they as the chosen people control the fate of the earth, that they alone cause the ice ages to come and go, and that the oceans will rise and the fires will burn if they do not repent, buy a prius, and sacrifice the sinners
and so it could not have been an innocent and oppressed arab that killed thousands on 9/11, so they make up a ludicrous and elaborate fantasy that it was one of their own from the "dark side" (they are big into star wars and harry potter etc)

In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.”

Still waiting to hear of a fatwa from ISIS demanding muslims attack.......................each other ????? Perhaps the logic is beyond them or they really are full of hate for their fellow mankind,regardless of their faiths.

There are 1.5 billion of them Poly.
i hope my use of "playbook of the faithful" wasn't too subtle for some

We have been bombing Arabs and sending in ground troops to their land en masse for 15 years and in one way or another for long before that just to a lesser extent.
you may need to check your maths here, and herein lies a clue to at least the immediate problem.

the bombs are the symptom, not the cause or the cure

well my stance makes little difference to the outcome, to paraphrase stalin "polybot? how many divisions does he have?"

the problem though, lies all around you, as do the solutions
where are we? the university of missouri, hands up don't shoot, the "palestinian" "question"
where are we going? as always, it could go all to hell, or maybe not this time. on one hand most people seem reasonably sensible, yet usually self preserving and cowardly, and yet it only takes a small minority to shift an entire society one way or the other.