UKIP will over achieve and I look forward to the squirming on the election night sofa.

treetop     22 Apr 15 22:44 
UKIP will over achieve and I look forward to the squirming on the election night sofa.




And how exactly will that manifest itself ?

We will just have to wait and see facts,it's all about opinions and mine is quite clear

Facts
22 Apr 15 22:37
Irrelevant - and you know it. Their share of the vote will be down, it won't [i]effect anything[/i]

'affect'

I see you've lost none of the theatricality or willingness to drop empty rhetoric into a designer bag.

Whenever a political party decides that it will clearly indentify and demonise a section of the population on the basis of race, creed or colour, the only outcome can be tragedy.

Show us. Nobody else was brave enough to step up to the plate. Their King from across the water has returned. I'm sure you won't shirk the issue and nether will I. Provide the proof and I will march alongside you. Well maybe a couple of steps ahead but you get the picture.

I'm not sure that 'dropping rhetoric into a bag' really bears examination, for irony or integrity, but empty point scoring can be such a ****. Don't you think, big nose?

What do you want me to show you? The truth of the statement, or the make of the gun the monkey has found?

No, it did really Rog.

That's the level of BBC to which political interviewing has finally descended. Paddington Bear has now emerged as the official benchmark of the Multicultural Dream in Britain.

......and if David Cameron thought he bore more than a passing resemblance to the animated butter trombonist (that's not a euphemism!) in the Lurpak ads of a few years ago

You made the statement presumably referring to UKIP demonising people. Can you substantiate this allegation? More pertinently given your past form will you?

I think the interview went well for NF.  ED was not very good.  There are so many people out there looking for reasons to accuse the beeb of bias and for trivialising UKIP that you might’ve thought they’d go out of their way to treat them as they have/would other parties.  But they didn’t.  That Paddington Bear episode and the breastfeeding nonsense, wtf was that all about.  I don’t even support UKIP and can’t stand NF, but the BBC did a good job of making them look like victims last night which will help their cause.  Some of these metropolitan liberal elite truly do have their head up their own @rses/in the sand.

Not sure what my 'form' is, save for my poise on the dance floor. I'm typing this on an incalcitrant ipad, so excuse the typos

I have chosen The Daily Mail and The Telegraph as my sources, although frankly I was spoilt for choice. You're either very brave or very foolish to try to deny that UKIP has, at its heart, a willingness to promote a raft of unpleasant views that promote beastliness.

'Nigel Farage has dismissed criticism of the lack of diversity in Ukip's manifesto by claiming there was a 'half black' party spokesman featured prominently - and 'one fully black person'.' Magical.

Phillips asks: “In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?” “No,” Nigel Farage responds. Ukip’s leader believes racial discrimination in the workplace should be legalised. Not just discrimination on the grounds of nationality, but on the grounds of colour and race.

Of course, sometimes it's funny. 'Speaking to the BBC's Sunday Politics Wales, Mr Farage said: "It took me six hours and 15 minutes to get here - it should have taken three-and-a-half to four. "That is nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a population that is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be."

Farage stood by his view, given in a recent interview, that he would be “concerned” if he had Romanian neighbours.
“I was asked a question if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned. If you lived in London I think you would be," he said. He said the crime statistics relating to Romanian immigrants are “eye-watering”. Asked why that would be different to German children moving in next door, he replied: “You know what the difference is.”

Even Nigel had to try and wipe that up ...

'Nigel Farage said the "vast majority" of Romanians in the UK would make "good neighbours" as he sought to limit the damage caused by his controversial suggestion he would be concerned if a group of people from the eastern European country moved in next door.
The party took out a full-page advertisement in The Telegraph to insist Ukip was not racist (as any party with nothing to be ashamed of would!) but repeated its warning about the risk posed by organised criminal gangs from Romania.' Organised crime is the sole province of those Romanian types..

It seems rather unfair to highlight the myriad loons who carry the UKIP banner, every party has berks at the margin, but UKIP seems to have more at the centre of things and more importantly, legitimises this kind of corrosive thinking.

John Sullivan, a council candidate, wrote on Facebook in February: “I rather wonder if we shot one 'poofter' (GBLT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren't after-all? We might then conclude that it's not a matter of genetics, but rather more a matter of education.”

This sort of material goes on and on and what distinguishes it is that it is spoken by a mixture of candidates for office at all levels and sitting politicians. There is rarely any ambiguity.

It seems only fair that I leave it to a native of my favoured country to have the last word:

Marine Le Pen,  "If I felt my options were closer to the BNP I would be in contact with the BNP, but I am in contact with UKIP," The Times.

There's an endorsement.

Now, presumably, we enter the blind gainsaying section of the piece? I can hardly wait.

do you also think the Australians are beasts?

I like Australia and Australians very much - I lived there for a while, but Tony Abbott is a **** and their immigration policy is a good example of the dangers of pandering. The policy is also in breach of its international realty obligation imho.

Not a Pauline Hanson fan then either, Orioles?

You raise a few good points Orioles.

The whole point of being a 'peoples army' is that you can not only say what professional politicians can't and won't say, you can say it in the idiom of the bloke down the pub, because that's the way Joe Everyman speaks and thinks innit?

Well it may be to a degree - but then you find that if t you are asking to be taken seriously as a grown up, multi-faceted party, you can't make off colour jokes, use barrack room language and generally behave in the manner that attracted people to you in the first place (if only for the manner of what you are saying rather than your policies).


So we get the neutered general politico-speak where parties are 'delighted' to announce a new initiative, where every question is met with 'I'm glad you asked me that' or 'let me answer that'. It's probably at this point you get sent on the 'Tony Blair Guide to that funny little 'thumb on top of forefinger and fist' pointy gesture? (I think Blair got the franchise initially and now he's trousering millions by teaching them all how to do it.)

What's the answer? What's the point I'm trying to make here?

I'm glad you asked me that.....

To save you wasting any more of your time trawling for more irrelevant quotes I'll remind you of your comment:

Whenever a political party decides that it will clearly indentify and demonise a section of the population on the basis of race, creed or colour, the only outcome can be tragedy.

Whilst we can debate the logic or decency of Farage's many pronouncements on immigration you were the one setting the parameters and none of what you wrote demonises people because of their race, creed or colour.

What we have seen over many years has been quite specific. Farage and his party would far rather see immigration from countries which we have historic ties with like India than white christian eastern europeans. Strange kind of racism.

The closest you can possibly come to substantiating your accusation would be people like Farage taking on Radical Islam but he doesn't demonise Islam or indeed moderate Muslims.

Now if you wouldn't mind sticking to the issue on your next trawl.........

Orioles is a sensitive type,his concern for Romanians is touching but misplaced.

No sane person would want a group of Romanians are Roma living next door.

The figures are out and they are staggering,the Liberal elite who benefit from unlimited immigration are shutting down all talk on this subject.
You can't stereotype or profile but when the figures for ATM crime and Romanian criminal gangs are this high it ceases to be profiling and becomes a description of the suspect.

Dark days indeed Orioles. You can see why some dyed-in-the-wool supporters of Enforced Multiculturalism in Britain are doing so from the safety of France and Switzerland.

Wouldn't you be happier in Rochdale or Rotherham, with Your People?

The BBC has just quoted the IFS saying none of 4 political parties have made it clear how the deficit would be cut.

The Beeb mention Labour, Cons, Lib Dems and SNP.

No mention of the other party...who have had their manifesto independently audited.

The IFS have not looked at UKIP's proposals..