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By:
treetop
When: 08 Feb 15 18:15
Mikael, the UK government sentenced sgt Alexander Blackman,a royal marine who had just been attacked by the Taliban to several years in jail for killing one of his attackers instead of capturing him. That is the difference.
No neydam,most of us haven't watched that footage and shame on you for suggesting decent people might do so.
By:
naydam
When: 08 Feb 15 18:28
That's interesting because I have just Googled Jordanian Pilot in an attempt to identify aircraft type and I find there is a site by somebody Wictor who absolutely disputes that the pilot was burned when alive. He states that the whole thing is choreographed and the flames are added later. His comments are very interesting.
Now, obviously this guy could be a crank...but I can't say one way or the other, as that would entail watching the video which I have no wish to do. I also noted a comment by the Pentagon (I think) with the phrase 'alleged' burning (or something like that).
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 08 Feb 15 18:32
Plenty of decent people have watched it, treetop, including some who are having a go at naydam. Piers Morgan said he's 'glad' he watched it, although he hasn't posted on this thread.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Feb 15 18:44
Mikael, naydam and Jed do you think people on here are stupid?
Everybody realises that anyone taken prisoner by IS will suffer a horrible fate.
Whilst it was pointing out the obvious naydam took it a step further and started justifying it.
That's the issue that I, and I suppose others, have with his posts.
By:
mecca
When: 08 Feb 15 18:44
It is a sad reflection on todays world, that there is a means for people to view these burnings & beheadings. I personally have never, & will never watch such things.

If this is progress, maybe the internet was not such a good idea after all.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 08 Feb 15 18:50
Aka, they're stupid if they think that naydam was 'justifying' it.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Feb 15 18:51
You couldn't pay me to watch stuff like this. Once accidentally hit on a similar vid (similar in that it showed someone being killed) and it made me feel ill for months afterwards.
In fact e even now, years later, I'm still sickened by the images.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Feb 15 18:53
Read his posts again. Continually says he's not justifying it then says he'd act in the same manner.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 08 Feb 15 19:02
You might do the same yourself. Who knows?

I remember the first time I ever saw the Vietcong 'terrorist' being summarily executed in the street. At the time (early 90s, I was about 20,) it was one fo the most shocking things I'd ever seen. Now, I recognise he was probably quite fortunate since he suffered so little. It's war - there are barbarians on all sides.
By:
treetop
When: 08 Feb 15 19:27
Such behaviour CANNOT ever be justified and trying to do so by saying we might be tempted to react that way is shameful. That was coldblooded murder,calculated to enrage some but appeal to other,more impressionable minds for them to join with IS ideals.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 08 Feb 15 19:28
IF I was a Muslim and IF I was an ISIS jihadist and this Jordanian fella had been bombing the **** out of me, my family and my mates

I like Ms Naydams thoughts on the bastards that are ISIL sitting down and watching the mussy version of Corrie with their family and friends when the wicked coalition drop a bomb on their unsepecting nappers. She really should do some research (sadly lacking) on just what and who is being targeted , and why..
By:
akabula
When: 08 Feb 15 19:36
Mikael D'Haguenet

You might do the same yourself. Who knows?


I know I would be incapable of such an act and so would every decent person.
Seems like you are trying to defend this action as well.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 08 Feb 15 19:51
How do you know unless you're in that situation, aka? I'd like to think I could never kill any animal, including we humans, much less burn a man alive, but the people we're talking about (ISIS) were nutters before Jordan started bombing them. They cut the heads off aid workers FFS, they're certainly not going to humanely despatch their enemy.
By:
pan07
When: 08 Feb 15 21:14
I know I would be incapable of such an act and so would every decent person.

but many so called decent people think incinerating people from an f15 is the act of an hero.
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Feb 15 23:49
I have tried to read through this thread and note that naydam repeatedly talks about the use of napalm against ISIS. As far as I can tell, nobody has challenged him on this assumption and all the footage I have seen on TV involves what looks like smart bombs being used in order to minimise civilian casualties.
I would be pleased, naydam, if you could supply some evidence to support your claim.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 09 Feb 15 12:01
anyone capable of beleiving diplomatic channels can be followed with these ANIMALS is totally deluded, i would guess the napalm

bombs are also part delusion untill proven.
By:
HH Sultan Vinegar
When: 09 Feb 15 14:09
Her Majesty Queen Rania Al Abdullah's televised message:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ti7BoL7VuA&feature=youtu.be
By:
Ken Masters
When: 09 Feb 15 14:35
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By:
naydam
When: 09 Feb 15 16:38
Whereas 'smart' bombs lend themselves to television film footage by nature of their high altitude drop and the theatrical focus of the target crosshairs, other munitions have a much lower release point.
The television producers decided that footage from a fast-moving, low-level aircraft showed nothing of any interest to the ghouls (apart from a lot of terrain/troops/vehicles flashing by at the bottom of the screen) and so they deemed it unsuitable.
The only good view that you get from a napalm burst is from ground level. Now, the BBC have asked ISIS (through the open diplomatic channels)if they could do them a favour and capture some of this desirable footage.

So far, they have only learnt the Arabic words for **** and off.
By:
HH Sultan Vinegar
When: 09 Feb 15 16:43
Ken Mischief
By:
naydam
When: 09 Feb 15 16:47
I would also suggest that hostage negotiations is diplomatic process.

If YOU don't think so...I don't care.


I shall attempt to refrain from returning to this thread due to the headache caused from contact with the wall.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 09 Feb 15 16:56
Bye then...

Nala Aiz Yadullah Del Aly Maja
By:
Foinavon
When: 09 Feb 15 17:14
Still no evidence then. Plain
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 09 Feb 15 17:28
so let me get this right, in NAYDAMS world a £200 million ransom is now called using diplomatic channels !!
By:
naydam
When: 09 Feb 15 17:59
Foinavon. You will need to contact the Jordanian Air Force (or similar) for your evidence. Or possibly, ISIS.

Gloasgow. It's called bartering. You ask for more than you expect to get and you offer less than intend to pay. Then, through negotiation you hopefully arrive at a figure that is agreeable to the buyer and the vendor. Sometimes this is unsuccessful and no deal is agreed upon.

I think these methods may have worked in the past, possibly for smaller settlements.

Anyway, I am now heartily bored and teatime calls.
By:
akabula
When: 09 Feb 15 20:35
naydam

Anyway, I am now heartily bored and teatime calls.


One things for sure there won't be any bacon involved. Enjoy your tea Mohahahammed.
By:
Foinavon
When: 09 Feb 15 22:41
Foinavon. You will need to contact the Jordanian Air Force (or similar) for your evidence. Or possibly, ISIS.

Naydam, you have stated on several occasions that napalm was used in order to build your case to justify why IS chose to kill the pilot in such a barbaric fashion.

By you own admission we can now take it that this was pure speculation on your part without a shred of evidence and probably completely false.
By:
naydam
When: 09 Feb 15 23:47
Shush! Walls have ears. It's from an undisclosed source.
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Feb 15 02:34
Anybody who is shocked by this can count themselves a decent normal human being...

unless they want to live in a world where sadism and torture are normal

My view is IS have forfeited their right to life, and need to be destroyed asp.
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Feb 15 02:40
My suggestion is the West massively steps up its air attacks in response to this
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Feb 15 02:59
You see there are only two things we can do here

One is to back off, so in fact they have deterred us, which is why they have done this

Or we take it back to them even harder, to make it clear to them this won't work, which I favour

But it is our governments who make these choices
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