Stuck em in Colditz and gave them an acting contract?

Barbarism begins at home. Cracking tune.

jed, I have indeed come to that conclusion.

sj     05 Feb 15 16:12 
http://www.radiomarconi.com/marconi/monumento/pow/pows.html

Learn a little mate then you'll be alright.

Another strange aspect of life in a British prison camp was the fact that prisoners received the same amount of daily rations as British servicemen, which turned out to be more than the civilian population received. So in effect the German POWs were better fed than the civilian population of Britain!

You get some clowns on here you really do. You carry on sticking up for ISIS though

So you chose to not answer the question I asked, fair enough. In what way am I sticking up for ISIS? Feel free to ignore that one too.

jed.davison, I have already posted to that effect.

sorry boxingthefox.

I just think people like him are dangerous, especially when there are impressionable characters like sj floating about 

So true I had to say it twice.

It's not complicated - honestly.

The West (megalomaniac politicians, big business - not you or me) want to control the oil supply.

We (our politicians and their masters) allow dictators to run oil rich companies as long as they behave towards the West (doesn't matter about democracy, Human Rights etc ... e.g Iran with the Shah, Libya with Gaddaffi, Iraq with Saddam, Saudi with the Royal family ... but not Zimbabwe with Mugabe, or North Korea with thingy boy.

When the dictators fall out with us (for not doing what we want), we foment an uprising.  We use religion as it's easy (e.g Iran, Khomeni) or social injustice (difficult and a slow burn as Mid East is essentially tribal) or perceived threats to us (WMD in Iraq!!).

We invade where our politicos and big business thing it's necessary.

We kill lots of locals (who happen to be Muslim) and the muslims get upset and want to do something about it.

But they can't get at Blair or Bush so they terrorise us as that's the only way they see to avenge their treatment by "the West".

And all the rest is secondary (western lifestyle, koran stuff, prophet stuff etc etc).

And they're primitive (but so was the West 200 years ago) - and nutty.

I just wish they'd take it out on our politicians - not me, because frankly I couldn't give a damn about democracy in Saudi for example (but I hate the hypocrisy by our politicians re Saudi)

I sometimes think ebulg is a bot.

The exiled archbishop of Mosul said this recently :

“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those that you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future,”

“Please, try to understand us,” he said. “Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims.”
“Also, you are in danger,” said the archbishop.  “You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles.”

“You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal,” said Archbishop Nona.  “Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.”

And apologists like ebul will end up with their head on a stick.

jed.davison

Not a very reasoned or comprehensive response from you - just "More complete nonsense I'm afraid mememe".

I lived in Tehran at the time of the fall of the Shah, and had to come back to Britain as a result.  I saw what happened at first hand.  The Iranians lived in fear of Savak, the secret police ... social justice was non existent.

The US controlled Iran, but allowed the Iranian people to rise up and rebel ... and Khomeni was the focal point.  They allowed it to happen I and my fellow ex-pat colleagues could see it coming - why didn't the US want to see it coming.  All that was needed was social justice.

But I'm not going to get into a debate with you.  I have better things to do.

I'm sure you have better things to do. But before you get on with them, allow me to tell you that sitting on their hands while their puppet fell and actively promoting the rise of Khomeini are two entirely different things.

You specifically claimed that the demise of Pahlavi was down to him not doing what the Americans wanted at the time, which we both know - or as we should both know if as you claim you lived in Tehran at the time - is a complete and utter falsehood.

Events, as so often, overtook a US administration. To suggest that they hung him out to dry in response to a change of allegiance on his part is frankly preposterous.

Grounded OR Neutered. Take your pick! 

Oh dear. I must pay more attention.     I've got the tele on in the background and I thought I heard them say something about not risking more pilots. Ah, well. Not the first time I've been wrong and I'm sure it won't be the last!

MY fellows? Where on earth did you get that from? (apologies if it wasn't directed at me)

Sounds like the gloves are off as far as Jordan are concerned.

Jordan appear to have recognised the obvious and have decided to go for ISIS before they go for them. About time someone in the area attacked them before they get destabilised. Saudi should be next because they are on the IS list.

Perhaps they don't want to go the same way Glasgow?

Since Jordan were bombing IS, I though they were going for them already treetop, I assume they are stepping it up
hardly surprising after this atrocity

^^^ Totally agree, but do we have the stomach for it? I for one would like to see Russia joining up with this one bvut they tend to keep their nose out of the middle east....for the time being.