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By:
guinness2dear
When: 02 Oct 14 22:30
Not really, we're all guessers on here (unless we is involved of course)

Would make a change for you to pass an opinion rather than snipe.
By:
naydam
When: 02 Oct 14 23:06
Well, my opinion is that we (the general public) are probably lacking many pieces of information that might enable us to hazard a guess to the events. But as it stands all we know is that the girl is dead, probably murdered by person or persons unknown. Plus a local man with a criminal past is also missing and apparently, the father has dodgy eyes and looks at the floor a lot.

Ir it was a horse race it would be 'no bet'. Not enough information to form an opinion.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 02 Oct 14 23:10
Meanwhile, residents who live near the spot where Alice’s body was found expressed surprise that she was recovered from a stretch of river that appeared to have been meticulously searched before. “I was surprised. I find it difficult to see how you can conceal someone in a canal in broad daylight,” said canalboat engineer Barry Nother, 53, whose boat was moored 50 yards from where Alice was found. “It’s shallow there and it’s busy as hell around here, with all kinds of joggers, cyclists, people taking their kids to school.”

Weird.
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 02 Oct 14 23:23

Oct 2, 2014 -- 10:19PM, Angel Gabrial wrote:


When Arnis Zalkaln`s killed his first wife he had prepared her grave in advance, he also planted the weapons next to it, Then tricked her into going into the forest.Police are suggesting whoever killed Alice had planned it all out in advance. The plastic sack, the logs and materials must have been all hidden close by and he waited for her. It`s like something out of a crime novel.


Yes was thinking myself that must have been likely. There isn't much doubt in my mind that he wouldn't take the risk of going back to the crime scene to do anything of any note, once Alice had been reported missing.

And spending any significant time arranging an elaborate burial scene on the day would also increase his chances of being seen, unless he waited until nightfall. Which in itself would decrease his chances of a successful concealment in anything but a ready made burial chamber.

So you would imagine there is a strong possibility of pre-planning - unless the police are over playing the complexity of the burial scene that has been described on here today.

By:
naydam
When: 02 Oct 14 23:24
Ssshhhhhhh. This lot swill be pinning it on the canal-boat fella now! ShockedShockedSad
By:
TheChaser
When: 03 Oct 14 00:15
naydam did the canal boat driver have any tattoos of ritual symbols
By:
naydam
When: 03 Oct 14 00:38
I don't know. I never saw him. I wasn't there honest, Guv.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 03 Oct 14 14:26
“It’s shallow there and it’s busy as hell around here, with all kinds of joggers, cyclists, people taking their kids to school.”

Yet nobody saw her walking about for 4 hours.

If that depiction of her walking style in the reconstruction was accurate, which had the arm movements of a German soldier in WW2, but not the goose-step, the first thing I'd do was laugh and think 'nutter'.

You couldn't forget it.
By:
TheChaser
When: 03 Oct 14 14:31
but not the goose-step, the first thing I'd do was laugh and think 'nutter'.

You couldn't forget it.


so you would laugh at a little girl walking like a german  , i dont find this funny at all Mischief
By:
call me a taxi
When: 03 Oct 14 14:50
Look at the reconstruction film. Laugh
By:
TheChaser
When: 03 Oct 14 14:55
ive seen it last week Laugh
By:
TheChaser
When: 03 Oct 14 14:56
the actor looked  right angry little fecker
By:
TheChaser
When: 03 Oct 14 15:02
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03053/alice-gross_3053557b.jpg
By:
naydam
When: 04 Oct 14 11:41
CMAT. It's called 'power-walking'. I would guess it is to get a better 'work-out' than just walking briskly.
By:
pumphol.
When: 04 Oct 14 12:50
Angel Gabrial    02 Oct 14 22:19 
When Arnis Zalkaln`s killed his first wife he had prepared her grave in advance, he also planted the weapons next to it, Then tricked her into going into the forest.


So for this heinous crime they let him out after seven years !
I thought the sentences that are given out in British courts are often pathetic but seven years for a crime like that is beyond belief, what would you have to do in Latvia to get 20 years plus Crazy
By:
call me a taxi
When: 04 Oct 14 15:00
Oil slick Cameron is demanding to know the Latvian got entry to the UK.

Simple, he had a passport and got let in.

Nothing can be done to stop him under EU rules.

You remember those rules Cameron, the very same ones don't want to opt out from, or didn't you know that.
By:
Dan Chipowski
When: 04 Oct 14 16:18
BreakingNews.ie @breakingnewsie  ·  54s 54 seconds ago
Police searching for Latvian builder Arnis Zalkalns – the prime suspect in the murder of London schoolgirl Alice Gross – have found a body.
By:
The Leopard
When: 04 Oct 14 17:37
Arnis Zalkalns body found.....1.01
By:
pumphol.
When: 04 Oct 14 17:42
Hiding out not far from the scene it seems, I guess he may well have been hanging for several days if not longer & found by chance.
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Oct 14 18:49
Well if they have found the body of the perpetrator that is an appropriate result

A life for a life

We don't know for sure yet
By:
Ramruma
When: 04 Oct 14 19:11
Appropriate? It won't bring Alice back. The whole thing seems so bloody pointless.
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Oct 14 19:16
Nothing can do that, I am sorry to say

I wish he had done it

If he was already a convicted murderer in Latvia and should not have been allowed entry, is another issue?
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Oct 14 19:17
I wish he had NOT done it
By:
pumphol.
When: 04 Oct 14 19:20
Should still have 20 plus years of his  murder sentence to serve then this sorry episode would never have occurred
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Oct 14 19:24
Sad
By:
naydam
When: 04 Oct 14 20:24
Have the police released any details of cause of death? Pumphol earlier mentioned hanging.
By:
ccmac1975
When: 04 Oct 14 20:28
we should get out the eu asap.there has been countless murders from incomers who have had a history of violence before coming and we dont seem to detect it and alow them in
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Oct 14 20:38
pumphol is obviously correct. A premeditated murderer only getting 7 years is mental.

For him to kill himself in the woods, well what was the point to it all. Did the guilt finally over run him. If so why didn`t the conscience prevent him from killing in the first place.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Oct 14 20:38
pumphol is obviously correct. A premeditated murderer only getting 7 years is mental.

For him to kill himself in the woods, well what was the point to it all. Did the guilt finally over run him. If so why didn`t the conscience prevent him from killing in the first place.
By:
naydam
When: 04 Oct 14 20:45
Pumphol didn't say he'd killed himself. He said he was hanging. I haven't heard any details personally, but I was just asking if anybody else could confirm how he died.
You might well find out yet, that his hands were tied behind his back!
By:
Ozymandius
When: 04 Oct 14 20:47
Are we saying the Father is back in the picture and that the CCDA will get their man after all?
By:
guinness2dear
When: 04 Oct 14 20:48
Well it would save the Met a lot of hard questions..
By:
pumphol.
When: 04 Oct 14 20:50
It was my son on his I-pad reading a report that someone was found hanging in the woods close to the murder scene hence that's why I wrote that earlier, should have more details if that is correct shortly.
All conjecture but I would not be surprised if he was either in hiding in the woods for a few weeks or had taken his own life some while ago & was found by chance, I bet it was more likely a member of the public came across him rather than the police.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 04 Oct 14 20:51
Just read this

The Home Office is believed to have been unaware of his conviction when he was allowed into the country in 2007.

Two years later he was arrested for a suspected indecent assault on a 14-year-old schoolgirl, but was never charged.


Makes Cleggs speech about sharing information in the eu making us safer a load of bollix.

Clegg needs to be interviewed about this.
By:
TheChaser
When: 04 Oct 14 20:57


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where is the latvian hiding out then? or did the parents do away with him also?


or did the vigalantes get him
By:
mafeking
When: 04 Oct 14 21:36
body badly decomposed. looks like it's been there since the beginning of last month

another body in the vicinity the police couldn't find

not exactly been their finest hour, has it ?
By:
naydam
When: 04 Oct 14 21:41
Maybe you'll go and show them how it's done next time?
By:
guinness2dear
When: 04 Oct 14 22:02
Joe Lefors would have found him in an hour..
By:
Petraco
When: 04 Oct 14 22:11
Police revealed last month that the hunt for Alice was the biggest search operation since the 7/7 bombings, after 600 officers from eight forces searched nine square miles of open land and 3.4 miles of canals and river.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11140963/Alice-Gross-body-of-suspect-Arnis-Zalkalns-found-in-London.html


I suggest a different approach to searching is taken in future... Plain
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 04 Oct 14 22:29
the police force has not been fit for purpose for over 30 years now.

it would had taken one person from the private sector to say, lets trawl this whole river/canal.

No doubt the other 599 were liaising with the public/family/offended latvians.
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