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25 Sep 14
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A strange one that has me flummoxed..
Plod reckons they have no proof of her being harmed?
If the Latvian builder abducted her - how, with his bike? If he had a car in wait, plod haven't released any details of it.
4 days before they contacted Latvia about him.
Cameras supposedly alll over the area but plod only have a couple of glimpses of her.
Why hasn't the canal been dragged? This would fit in with plod saying they have no proof of her being harmed.
Is there any chance she ran off with this bloke? Did she run off with someone else? Once again plod saying nowt.
They haven't once said they fear for her safety, which is standard for a suspected abduction.
Family involvement? Other suspects have been interviewed.
Weird.
Plod reckons they have no proof of her being harmed?
If the Latvian builder abducted her - how, with his bike? If he had a car in wait, plod haven't released any details of it.
4 days before they contacted Latvia about him.
Cameras supposedly alll over the area but plod only have a couple of glimpses of her.
Why hasn't the canal been dragged? This would fit in with plod saying they have no proof of her being harmed.
Is there any chance she ran off with this bloke? Did she run off with someone else? Once again plod saying nowt.
They haven't once said they fear for her safety, which is standard for a suspected abduction.
Family involvement? Other suspects have been interviewed.
Weird.
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I know that, it's just how quick they were to say murder, i had some pretty gruesome images flash threw my mind. Could have been a number of other causes and still can be.
Precisely, Brendan, summat that has bothered me since the outset. How did he do this on his bike..
Yeah right, she could have been hit by a lightening bolt.
Obvious she was murdered
Obvious she was murdered
I suggest you fack off back to McCann fred ye fackin loon.
I won't even bother to give other causes of death.
I won't even bother to give other causes of death.
Could have been abducted and killed by aliens. You need a reality check, numpty.
Lets hope they don't abduct you or the poor feckers would commit harikiri after travelling all this way...
sorry never seen the above ,a pit and covered in plastic and logs .
serial killer ?
serial killer ?
How do you mean g2d ?
if the above is correct and she was wrapped in plastic in a pit and covered with logs ,we could safely rule out suicide imo .
if the above is correct and she was wrapped in plastic in a pit and covered with logs ,we could safely rule out suicide imo .
Someone's got wet disposing of the body, and if they are lifting logs then they'll likely be muscled up.
Police on the right lines with the Latvian builder.
Police on the right lines with the Latvian builder.
Why? What happened later could be just to hide whatever else went on.
I'm just looking at reasons for the weirdness, it's 1.01 the poor mite was murdered. But as we all know, they have been beaten before..
I'm just looking at reasons for the weirdness, it's 1.01 the poor mite was murdered. But as we all know, they have been beaten before..
how do you dig a pit under water?
without anyone seeing you?
You'd need a mechanical digger
without anyone seeing you?
You'd need a mechanical digger
The body of Alice was found in a part of the river which was only 3ft deep.
Sounds like whoever did it had Navy Seal type skills, to evade detection.
The prime suspect in the mysterious disappearance of schoolgirl Alice Gross was in the Latvian army where he was taught survival skills. - Probably in the woods somewhere in the EU. Good luck plods.
Sounds like whoever did it had Navy Seal type skills, to evade detection.
The prime suspect in the mysterious disappearance of schoolgirl Alice Gross was in the Latvian army where he was taught survival skills. - Probably in the woods somewhere in the EU. Good luck plods.
Weird innit. As i say, that bike was summat special.
Also if you go to that much trouble to bury a body, then why leave evidence (handbag etc) so close by?
Also if you go to that much trouble to bury a body, then why leave evidence (handbag etc) so close by?
Hmmm. I get the distinct impression that the police are releasing the evidence on a need-to-know basis.
I also get the impression that the CCDA Guessing Club are high up on the don't-need-to-know list.
I also get the impression that the CCDA Guessing Club are high up on the don't-need-to-know list.
When Arnis Zalkaln`s killed his first wife he had prepared her grave in advance, he also planted the weapons next to it, Then tricked her into going into the forest.
Police are suggesting whoever killed Alice had planned it all out in advance. The plastic sack, the logs and materials must have been all hidden close by and he waited for her. It`s like something out of a crime novel.
Police are suggesting whoever killed Alice had planned it all out in advance. The plastic sack, the logs and materials must have been all hidden close by and he waited for her. It`s like something out of a crime novel.
Not really, we're all guessers on here (unless we is involved of course)
Would make a change for you to pass an opinion rather than snipe.
Would make a change for you to pass an opinion rather than snipe.
Well, my opinion is that we (the general public) are probably lacking many pieces of information that might enable us to hazard a guess to the events. But as it stands all we know is that the girl is dead, probably murdered by person or persons unknown. Plus a local man with a criminal past is also missing and apparently, the father has dodgy eyes and looks at the floor a lot.
Ir it was a horse race it would be 'no bet'. Not enough information to form an opinion.
Ir it was a horse race it would be 'no bet'. Not enough information to form an opinion.
Meanwhile, residents who live near the spot where Alice’s body was found expressed surprise that she was recovered from a stretch of river that appeared to have been meticulously searched before. “I was surprised. I find it difficult to see how you can conceal someone in a canal in broad daylight,” said canalboat engineer Barry Nother, 53, whose boat was moored 50 yards from where Alice was found. “It’s shallow there and it’s busy as hell around here, with all kinds of joggers, cyclists, people taking their kids to school.”
Weird.
Weird.
Oct 2, 2014 -- 10:19PM, Angel Gabrial wrote:
When Arnis Zalkaln`s killed his first wife he had prepared her grave in advance, he also planted the weapons next to it, Then tricked her into going into the forest.Police are suggesting whoever killed Alice had planned it all out in advance. The plastic sack, the logs and materials must have been all hidden close by and he waited for her. It`s like something out of a crime novel.
Yes was thinking myself that must have been likely. There isn't much doubt in my mind that he wouldn't take the risk of going back to the crime scene to do anything of any note, once Alice had been reported missing.
And spending any significant time arranging an elaborate burial scene on the day would also increase his chances of being seen, unless he waited until nightfall. Which in itself would decrease his chances of a successful concealment in anything but a ready made burial chamber.
So you would imagine there is a strong possibility of pre-planning - unless the police are over playing the complexity of the burial scene that has been described on here today.
Ssshhhhhhh. This lot swill be pinning it on the canal-boat fella now! 
naydam did the canal boat driver have any tattoos of ritual symbols
I don't know. I never saw him. I wasn't there honest, Guv.
“It’s shallow there and it’s busy as hell around here, with all kinds of joggers, cyclists, people taking their kids to school.”
Yet nobody saw her walking about for 4 hours.
If that depiction of her walking style in the reconstruction was accurate, which had the arm movements of a German soldier in WW2, but not the goose-step, the first thing I'd do was laugh and think 'nutter'.
You couldn't forget it.
Yet nobody saw her walking about for 4 hours.
If that depiction of her walking style in the reconstruction was accurate, which had the arm movements of a German soldier in WW2, but not the goose-step, the first thing I'd do was laugh and think 'nutter'.
You couldn't forget it.
but not the goose-step, the first thing I'd do was laugh and think 'nutter'.
You couldn't forget it.
so you would laugh at a little girl walking like a german , i dont find this funny at all
You couldn't forget it.
so you would laugh at a little girl walking like a german , i dont find this funny at all
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03053/alice-gross_3053557b.jpg
CMAT. It's called 'power-walking'. I would guess it is to get a better 'work-out' than just walking briskly.
Angel Gabrial 02 Oct 14 22:19
When Arnis Zalkaln`s killed his first wife he had prepared her grave in advance, he also planted the weapons next to it, Then tricked her into going into the forest.
So for this heinous crime they let him out after seven years !
I thought the sentences that are given out in British courts are often pathetic but seven years for a crime like that is beyond belief, what would you have to do in Latvia to get 20 years plus
When Arnis Zalkaln`s killed his first wife he had prepared her grave in advance, he also planted the weapons next to it, Then tricked her into going into the forest.
So for this heinous crime they let him out after seven years !
I thought the sentences that are given out in British courts are often pathetic but seven years for a crime like that is beyond belief, what would you have to do in Latvia to get 20 years plus
Oil slick Cameron is demanding to know the Latvian got entry to the UK.
Simple, he had a passport and got let in.
Nothing can be done to stop him under EU rules.
You remember those rules Cameron, the very same ones don't want to opt out from, or didn't you know that.
Simple, he had a passport and got let in.
Nothing can be done to stop him under EU rules.
You remember those rules Cameron, the very same ones don't want to opt out from, or didn't you know that.
BreakingNews.ie @breakingnewsie · 54s 54 seconds ago
Police searching for Latvian builder Arnis Zalkalns – the prime suspect in the murder of London schoolgirl Alice Gross – have found a body.
Police searching for Latvian builder Arnis Zalkalns – the prime suspect in the murder of London schoolgirl Alice Gross – have found a body.
Hiding out not far from the scene it seems, I guess he may well have been hanging for several days if not longer & found by chance.
Well if they have found the body of the perpetrator that is an appropriate result
A life for a life
We don't know for sure yet
A life for a life
We don't know for sure yet
Appropriate? It won't bring Alice back. The whole thing seems so bloody pointless.
Nothing can do that, I am sorry to say
I wish he had done it
If he was already a convicted murderer in Latvia and should not have been allowed entry, is another issue?
I wish he had done it
If he was already a convicted murderer in Latvia and should not have been allowed entry, is another issue?
Should still have 20 plus years of his murder sentence to serve then this sorry episode would never have occurred
Have the police released any details of cause of death? Pumphol earlier mentioned hanging.
we should get out the eu asap.there has been countless murders from incomers who have had a history of violence before coming and we dont seem to detect it and alow them in
pumphol is obviously correct. A premeditated murderer only getting 7 years is mental.
For him to kill himself in the woods, well what was the point to it all. Did the guilt finally over run him. If so why didn`t the conscience prevent him from killing in the first place.
For him to kill himself in the woods, well what was the point to it all. Did the guilt finally over run him. If so why didn`t the conscience prevent him from killing in the first place.
pumphol is obviously correct. A premeditated murderer only getting 7 years is mental.
For him to kill himself in the woods, well what was the point to it all. Did the guilt finally over run him. If so why didn`t the conscience prevent him from killing in the first place.
For him to kill himself in the woods, well what was the point to it all. Did the guilt finally over run him. If so why didn`t the conscience prevent him from killing in the first place.
Pumphol didn't say he'd killed himself. He said he was hanging. I haven't heard any details personally, but I was just asking if anybody else could confirm how he died.
You might well find out yet, that his hands were tied behind his back!
You might well find out yet, that his hands were tied behind his back!
Are we saying the Father is back in the picture and that the CCDA will get their man after all?
Well it would save the Met a lot of hard questions..
It was my son on his I-pad reading a report that someone was found hanging in the woods close to the murder scene hence that's why I wrote that earlier, should have more details if that is correct shortly.
All conjecture but I would not be surprised if he was either in hiding in the woods for a few weeks or had taken his own life some while ago & was found by chance, I bet it was more likely a member of the public came across him rather than the police.
All conjecture but I would not be surprised if he was either in hiding in the woods for a few weeks or had taken his own life some while ago & was found by chance, I bet it was more likely a member of the public came across him rather than the police.
Just read this
The Home Office is believed to have been unaware of his conviction when he was allowed into the country in 2007.
Two years later he was arrested for a suspected indecent assault on a 14-year-old schoolgirl, but was never charged.
Makes Cleggs speech about sharing information in the eu making us safer a load of bollix.
Clegg needs to be interviewed about this.
The Home Office is believed to have been unaware of his conviction when he was allowed into the country in 2007.
Two years later he was arrested for a suspected indecent assault on a 14-year-old schoolgirl, but was never charged.
Makes Cleggs speech about sharing information in the eu making us safer a load of bollix.
Clegg needs to be interviewed about this.
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where is the latvian hiding out then? or did the parents do away with him also?
or did the vigalantes get him
body badly decomposed. looks like it's been there since the beginning of last month
another body in the vicinity the police couldn't find
not exactly been their finest hour, has it ?
another body in the vicinity the police couldn't find
not exactly been their finest hour, has it ?
Police revealed last month that the hunt for Alice was the biggest search operation since the 7/7 bombings, after 600 officers from eight forces searched nine square miles of open land and 3.4 miles of canals and river.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11140963/Alice-Gross-body-of-suspect-Arnis-Zalkalns-found-in-London.html
I suggest a different approach to searching is taken in future...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11140963/Alice-Gross-body-of-suspect-Arnis-Zalkalns-found-in-London.html
I suggest a different approach to searching is taken in future...
the police force has not been fit for purpose for over 30 years now.
it would had taken one person from the private sector to say, lets trawl this whole river/canal.
No doubt the other 599 were liaising with the public/family/offended latvians.
it would had taken one person from the private sector to say, lets trawl this whole river/canal.
No doubt the other 599 were liaising with the public/family/offended latvians.
If they don't get a DNA match on her clothing from his body they can't prove it was him, and the case stays open.
it will be a miracle if they can get anything useful after such a long time
just beggars belief that supposedly the biggest police operation in years couldn't a find a body in woods a mile or two of where she went missing
just beggars belief that supposedly the biggest police operation in years couldn't a find a body in woods a mile or two of where she went missing
His case may stay 'open' yet. Nobody has specified suicide.
"It's odd though, because where the police are working today is where they came and searched last week. I remember seeing 50 officers with sticks looking through the bushes, surely they can't have missed him."
Either utter incompetence by plod, orrrrrr, an extremely well planned and devious web of mystery will one day unfold..
he presumably got into this country through the same gate a 15 yr old girl left this country for syria
ffs, they can spot someone smuggling in a few duty free ****, apart from that its an open shop.....
ffs, they can spot someone smuggling in a few duty free ****, apart from that its an open shop.....
I hate to labour the point but contraband is dosh, whereas peoples lives account for phack all..
Could it be that he hung himself somewhere else whilst they were searching - and only later relocated himself to that particular tree. Pretty spectacular planning imo.
Just read he was sentenced to just 7 1/2 years for the premeditated murder of his wife & was released 2 years early
What sort of country gives a sentence of less than eight years for planning & executing a murder !
I would hate to be living there & upset someone, there would be little hesitation if you are that way inclined to go a murder someone if your going to get out after a few years.
What sort of country gives a sentence of less than eight years for planning & executing a murder !
I would hate to be living there & upset someone, there would be little hesitation if you are that way inclined to go a murder someone if your going to get out after a few years.
Police believe body in west London wood is that of Alice Gross's killer
Plod in same league as CCDA (although CCDA isnt paid), isnt that jumping the gun a tad
exactly what evidence do they have. They didnt have enough to even issue a warrent yesterday, now body found he is Alice Gross's killer
Plod in same league as CCDA (although CCDA isnt paid), isnt that jumping the gun a tad
exactly what evidence do they have. They didnt have enough to even issue a warrent yesterday, now body found he is Alice Gross's killer
The man is missing - they have a body in the area.
What more dya need!
What more dya need!
Five and a half years he spent in jail after being released Two years early .
assuming it is him for the moment, to say he is her killer when yesterday they just wanted to speak to him and didnt have enough evidence to charge him
Plod looking to draw a line under this and move on before his body is even moved or Alices cause of death known
Plod looking to draw a line under this and move on before his body is even moved or Alices cause of death known
They won't only want him for this murder. I would suggest they would like to 'clear the books' on a few more..
What about a third party involvement?
Say, for example, he saw Alice being attacked and went to assist her - but got murdered himself.
Say, for example, he saw Alice being attacked and went to assist her - but got murdered himself.
not going to fly, they have dead girl and dead killer. QED for plod, remember 600 of them cant find 2 dead bodies in a square mile in 5 weeks searching
he could be hanging high up and invisible from the ground ,it is dense cover so need to wait and see why they are saying badly decomposed yet people saying area was searched .
still dont understand how it took five days to find Alice's bag , it could have been lifted by someone and then returned .
lets wait and see ,am sure there will be a public enquiry .
still dont understand how it took five days to find Alice's bag , it could have been lifted by someone and then returned .
lets wait and see ,am sure there will be a public enquiry .
Say, for example, he saw Alice being attacked and went to assist her - but got murdered himself.
Also he went missing 5 days after Alice
Also he went missing 5 days after Alice
Alice's bag being so visible and her shoes in it is a puzzle after someone going to great lengths to conceal body .
i have considered a few scenarios ....
i have considered a few scenarios ....
I'm still flummoxed.
None of it makes any sense to me. And now with this ongoing scenario, it will not get any clearer. There is now nothing to stop a few white fibs being banded about, there is no one to contradict anything plod says.
A public inquiry? Zero chance imho..
None of it makes any sense to me. And now with this ongoing scenario, it will not get any clearer. There is now nothing to stop a few white fibs being banded about, there is no one to contradict anything plod says.
A public inquiry? Zero chance imho..
GLASGOWCALLING 04 Oct 14 23:50
he presumably got into this country through the same gate a 15 yr old girl left this country for syria
The difference being that as a european he could come and go as he pleased, criminal record or not.
So Cameron pledging that he will find out how he got into the UK is all bollocks. He doesn't even know his own rule book.
As for the 15 year old girl, her mother said she suspected nothing. Of course she didn't, apart from her daughter asking for the air fare or using mums credit card to book the flight.
he presumably got into this country through the same gate a 15 yr old girl left this country for syria
The difference being that as a european he could come and go as he pleased, criminal record or not.
So Cameron pledging that he will find out how he got into the UK is all bollocks. He doesn't even know his own rule book.
As for the 15 year old girl, her mother said she suspected nothing. Of course she didn't, apart from her daughter asking for the air fare or using mums credit card to book the flight.
taxi, is a 15yr old girl legally allowed out of the country ??, why wasnt she challenged about where she was going, why she was going,
on what business, etc etc, someones badly cocked up at the airport control imo.
on what business, etc etc, someones badly cocked up at the airport control imo.
If he intended suicide ... it seems strange the lengths taken to hide the body.
I suggest an abduction, followed by a sex crime - possibly in the woods. I seem to remember he didn't disappear for some days after Alice Gross was missing ... perhaps this was when he hid the body, initially in the woods or a property .. followed by planning the disposal in the water.
The anguish and guilt must have come later leading to suicide.
The police regarded Alice as missing rather than murdered initially. Perhaps this enabled him to access the site where he hid the body.
It's difficult to believe he was able to hide the body in broad daylight on the day Alice went missing.
I suggest an abduction, followed by a sex crime - possibly in the woods. I seem to remember he didn't disappear for some days after Alice Gross was missing ... perhaps this was when he hid the body, initially in the woods or a property .. followed by planning the disposal in the water.
The anguish and guilt must have come later leading to suicide.
The police regarded Alice as missing rather than murdered initially. Perhaps this enabled him to access the site where he hid the body.
It's difficult to believe he was able to hide the body in broad daylight on the day Alice went missing.
It's odd though, because where the police are working today is where they came and searched last week. I remember seeing 50 officers with sticks looking through the bushes, surely they can't have missed him."
They probably did find him but kept schtumm.
Overtime doesn't grow on trees imo.
They probably did find him but kept schtumm.
Overtime doesn't grow on trees imo.
It's odd though, because where the police are working today is where they came and searched last week. I remember seeing 50 officers with sticks looking through the bushes, surely they can't have missed him."
From what I read the area was cordoned off for the search in sections.
When they moved on to the next area, the blue and white police tape was no doubt removed, giving the murderer (or an accomplice) a chance to put the body where the police had already searched.
From what I read the area was cordoned off for the search in sections.
When they moved on to the next area, the blue and white police tape was no doubt removed, giving the murderer (or an accomplice) a chance to put the body where the police had already searched.
The anguish and guilt must have come later leading to suicide.
An interesting theory Curious Cat and may well be true. However as far as I know we haven't been told the circumstances of the second death so we don't yet know if it was suicide.
Suppose Alice had arranged a meeting over the internet with her killer and following her disappearance someone else accessed that message and did something about it.
CCDA working hard here.
An interesting theory Curious Cat and may well be true. However as far as I know we haven't been told the circumstances of the second death so we don't yet know if it was suicide.
Suppose Alice had arranged a meeting over the internet with her killer and following her disappearance someone else accessed that message and did something about it.
CCDA working hard here.
Still no news of the cause of death. All very quiet in fact..
What do foreigners bring to this country and don't quote the huguenots and glass making !!!
What do foreigners bring to this country and don't quote the huguenots and glass making !!!
My wife is a foreigner Moisok. She brought 40 years of working all hours as a nurse and paying taxes. There are countless others like her. Don't lump the vast majority in with a few criminals, we have plenty of home grown murderers too.
My wife is a foreigner Moisok. She brought 40 years of working all hours as a nurse and paying taxes. There are countless others like her. Don't lump the vast majority in with a few criminals, we have plenty of home grown murderers too.
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