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By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Aug 14 22:43
^ What a sad state of affairs.

Everyone of the bástards who didn't do their job properly should be jailed.
By:
not allowed to bet
When: 26 Aug 14 22:45
Rotherham mp says she had no idea what was going on

I mean to say
people on here who no little were going on about it for ages

and were accused of racism etc
By:
blackestnight
When: 26 Aug 14 22:46
wouldn't be room for all of em Guinness.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Aug 14 22:47
I've got a cess pit they can borrow B.
By:
not allowed to bet
When: 26 Aug 14 22:48
Let me tell you that they are more interested in going to feminist seminars and racism awareness courses
I know coz I once worked for them.
By:
not allowed to bet
When: 26 Aug 14 22:49
what is really sad is that it was the bnp ages ago that were drawing our attention to it

not the liberals !!!
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Aug 14 22:53
I do not doubt it for one minute, natb. Just the usual bureauocratic garbage althey all go through. The diffrence here is, this is childrens lives and not lesbian concerns..
By:
not allowed to bet
When: 26 Aug 14 22:55
join social services and try and swim against the tide

guess how long you will last???
By:
Vubiant
When: 26 Aug 14 22:56
I have no doubt lessons will be learned.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Aug 14 22:57
I wouldn't want to join an orginisation that treats children like that, tbh.

But if i did, heads would roll, or i would whistleblow the lot of em..
By:
not allowed to bet
When: 26 Aug 14 22:58
heads wouldnt roll guiness   they are in charge and you wouldnt get in in the first place
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 26 Aug 14 23:01
natb - you don`t even clear the first hurdle
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Aug 14 23:02
Laugh You only need a shíte arsed degree and 2 minutes on the streets to become a social worker don't ye?
By:
call me a taxi
When: 26 Aug 14 23:12
90+ posts and prize w@nkers like Wesdaq haven't arrived yet to call us all racists. 

I wonder why?

Northernlad can't appear as he's banned by the look of it.

All you needed to get him off the thread is mention the girl who was similarly treated, but 'allegedly' chopped up by kebab shop owners in Blackpool, and put into kebabs.
By:
not allowed to bet
When: 26 Aug 14 23:19
guiness  what are you saying about my degree - do you want a fight!!??

or do you mean my degree of madness

which means you are on to something
ha ha!!!
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Aug 14 23:22
not allowed to bet

Is every council dept regarding social services set up to avoid racial accusations allowing child abuse to be ignored?

If so, we need to march...at least 20 million of us.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Aug 14 23:25
1/ One should never ask an Irishman for a fight.

2/ I may be over qualified for that particular job..
By:
freeze_the_secret
When: 26 Aug 14 23:25
Haven't seen facts insightful post either.
By:
Wesdag
When: 27 Aug 14 00:08
Evening all,

just noticed this thread and no prizes for knowing that it would be started by the forumite most concerned about all matters related to race and crime.

Just a quick aside, could you please indicate where I have ever accused anybody on here of being a racist?  Such labels are a cop out and undermine serious debate.

Now with this situation in Rotherham, I think it's an outrage.
Paedophiles should be condemned whoever they are but it appears that some on here would prefer that they were not Pakistanis and would be more forgiving if they were perhaps white.

I think it is more constructive if decent people unite and condemn wrong doing and criminality regardless of the race of the perpetrator.

More questions and focus should be placed on the police and the other authorities as to why they turned a blind eye.  It's far too easy to say they were afraid of being accused of racism for investigating.  That smacks of playing to the gallery.  Can anyone be sure that some of them were not involved??
By:
call me a taxi
When: 27 Aug 14 00:25
Just a quick aside, could you please indicate where I have ever accused anybody on here of being a racist?  Such labels are a cop out and undermine serious debate.

Your idea of serious debate is:

'still seething' Laugh
By:
Wesdag
When: 27 Aug 14 00:38
When your postings stray from your usual monotonous drivel, I will afford you a more considered response.
By:
sideshowbob
When: 27 Aug 14 00:50
we never get threads like these when its white people who have done it. i was in several kids homes in the 80s and it was widely known this sort of thing was commonplace. yes commonplace. id say at least 50% of the kids i knew had been raped whilst in care. most of those, it happened pretty much every night. once singled out as weak they had no chance. all the kids knew, all the staff knew. but it was seen as a joke by the staff. best keep out of "***'s" way or youll get a sore bum. it was just one of the perks of the job. eventually about 20 years later the people responsible got arrested and it was all over the news like it was a big story that nobody knew anout. all those responsible were white.

the catholic church have been abusing kids for centuries and theyre all white. yet we never get propoganda about them all being stuck in the dark ages. all the famous celebrity pedos that are getting arrested are all white. but no, lets pretend its asians who do it all. fits the agenda really well. whats the percentage of asians in the police force in question? virtually never see an asian police officer. id guess about 10% at most. thats a lot of white people who at least knew about it or even worse were involved in it.
By:
Wesdag
When: 27 Aug 14 01:01
Well said sideshowbob.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 27 Aug 14 01:35
i said earlier on another post

all those involved be it council or police should resign

if they dont then they should all be charged with

1.child neglect
2.rascism
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 27 Aug 14 01:37
and also in protest all righteous rotherham residents should refuse to pay their council tax until the above has been implemented
By:
khyber kim
When: 27 Aug 14 06:18
More questions and focus should be placed on the police and the other authorities as to why they turned a blind eye.  It's far too easy to say they were afraid of being accused of racism for investigating.  That smacks of playing to the gallery.  Can anyone be sure that some of them were not involved?? WALOS !

The people responsible are young like minded asian males. The main reasons for doing nothing will be the massive cost of undertaking the investigation and fear of being branded racist.
By:
morpteh mackem
When: 27 Aug 14 06:45
any organisation out there that can be trusted ? plod, church, local councils ? even bbc have shown to be morally bankrupt re savilles work.
By:
mad mad moon
When: 27 Aug 14 07:27
we never get threads like these when its white people who have done it

Erm Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, Max Clifford, Catholic Priests.... and if any MPS,judges etc ever finally get exposed I think that might get a thread or ten!
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 27 Aug 14 09:42
Wesdag 27 Aug 14 00:08 Joined: 05 Aug 09 | Topic/replies: 5,015 | Blogger: Wesdag's blog
Evening all,

just noticed this thread and no prizes for knowing that it would be started by the forumite most concerned about all matters related to race and crime.

  Shoot the messenger?  make no mistake these are race crimes if carried out by white men on asian girls we would still be hearing about this from the left wing in 50 years time,maybe you didnt like the OP telling yöu what is happening to his country?
By:
john92
When: 27 Aug 14 14:41
The difference here is that claims against Savile etc were not followed up because they were powerful, wheras these claims were not followed up due a fear of being called racist. The ultimate crimes and effects on the victims are the same, but the reasons why this happened differ by case and must be addressed so it can never happen again.

Why should there be more than 10% Asian police officers by the way? Asians/Asian British people account for 7% of the population according to last census.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 27 Aug 14 14:56
A piece from 2 years ago

South Yorkshire Police deny hiding girls' sex abuse

Denis MacShane said MPs should have been told of the scale of the problem.


The county's force was responding after The Times said confidential police reports referred to widespread abuse of girls by Asian men.

Rotherham MP Denis MacShane said police kept secret the abuse from politicians.

South Yorkshire Police said the suggestion it was reluctant to tackle child sexual abuse was wrong.

In November 2010, five Rotherham men were jailed for sexual offences against under-age girls.

Labour MP Mr MacShane said on Monday: "The Rotherham police exposed, arrested and broke up an evil gang of internal traffickers who were sent to prison.

"But it is clear that the internal trafficking of barely pubescent girls is much more widespread and I regret that the police did not tell Yorkshire MPs about their inquiries."

The investigation by The Times - with access to confidential documents from the police intelligence bureau, social services and other organisations - alleges widespread abuse.

'Live investigations'
The newspaper said a confidential 2010 report by the Police Intelligence Bureau detailed "a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females, particularly in Rotherham and Sheffield".

The paper claimed that in another confidential report in 2010 from Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board "there are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships".

Mr MacShane said the sexual violation and commercial exploitation of young girls by older men was a "growing problem and needs far more public policy attention".

Clockwise from top left: Umar Razaq, Razwan Razaq, Mohsin Khan, Zafran Ramzan and Adil Hussain
Five men were jailed in 2010 for sex offences against girls as young as 12 in Rotherham
In a statement, the force said: "South Yorkshire Police is recognised as leading the way on what is now being recognised nationally as a problem and to suggest that the force and its partners are deliberately withholding information on the issue is a gross distortion and unfair on the teams of dedicated specialists working to tackle the problem."

It said the force was "working with local authorities, social services and NHS on several live investigations, two of which are large and likely to lead to more prosecutions; we will act when we have the evidence".

The statement added that The Times was "wrong to suggest a lack of commitment is shown towards the problem as our record shows".

In a statement Rotherham Borough Council said it was "fully committed" to tackling sexual exploitation, "a commitment that led to the conviction of men involved in this despicable crime as well as support for victims and potential victims and the education of hundreds of young people about the dangers of sexual exploitation".

"These are highly-complex cases and situations and some work with individuals did not lead to court cases for a variety of reasons, but those young people have been supported to understand the situation they have found themselves in and assisted by many services".


Shaun Wright this morning made my blood boil - for a variety of reasons. One of which was his insistence that if he knew the scale of the problem, he would have put more resources and effort into it? So what he's saying is that because he thought the problem wasn't large or important enough for more resources or more footwork (a lost art) it was ok to dither and dally. Meanwhile kids went on being abused and no doubt (as in most crime) because the perpetrators got away with it, the abuse got worse..
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 27 Aug 14 15:03
Just a couple of thoughts:

based on the evidence I have read and the CPS guidance, these crimes could fall under the banner of racially aggravated offences and should surely be investigated as such.

I'm a little surprised there's no debate yet about the future of the South Yorkshire Police Force - it seems to me to be instutionally broken beyond repair and I can see a case for disbanding it and having one or more of the neighbouring forces extend their geographical footprint.
By:
Ldee
When: 27 Aug 14 17:00
Essential reading for anyone who has a young daughter.

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf
By:
Injera
When: 27 Aug 14 17:03
John92 - your first paragraph....

Bullseye.

The media are flirting with this very point and the BBC in particular are very reluctant to address it. They even made a point this morning on the radio that race is not the issue here but the crimes against kids.

Without the race issue there would not have been these particular crimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fear of being called racist and the obsession with PC has played a massive part in the cover up and prolonged suffering of over 1400 kids.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 27 Aug 14 17:24
The paper claimed that in another confidential report in 2010 from Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board "there are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships".

I'm pretty sure whatever the make up of a community is they would be much happier knowing that crime was dealt with properly, not matter what race is involved.

Surely this injustice is going to do more long term damage to their so called community ?
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 27 Aug 14 20:51
Disgraced former Labour politician Denis MacShane has admitted that he shied away from investigating allegations of a child sex abuse scandal in Rotherham because he is a 'true Guardian reader' and did not want to 'rock the multi-cultural boat'.
The former MP, who resigned as MP in 2012 over the expenses scandal, said ‘misplaced racial sensitivity’ prevented him from 'burrowing into' the widespread sexual abuse allegations and oppression of women in the Muslim community.
He made the comments after a damning child protection report found 1,400 children were sexually exploited in the town by gangs - most of them of Pakistani origin - between 1997 and 2013.
A group of 'influential' Pakistani councillors were accused in the report by a council officer of blocking attempts to tackle the abuse and also meddling in domestic abuse cases involving Asian women in the town.
Mr McShane said: 'I think probably [I didn’t do as much as I could]. I think that I should have burrowed into it.
'Perhaps yes, as a true Guardian reader, and liberal leftie, I suppose I didn’t want to raise that too hard.'
He also told the BBC: 'I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multi-cultural community boat if I may put it like that.'
But Mr McShane insisted today that no individual came to see him about the allegations and that he once had a 'huge row' with a fellow MP when the issue was probed.
He said: 'What I can say was that no single individual, no constituent, no child, no family same to see me.
'I was concerned about it, I raised it quite often, it’s difficult sometimes for an MP to second guess everything that the chief executive of a borough was doing and all the senior officials.
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 27 Aug 14 20:52
The report also alleges that Labour politicians from the same community 'acted as barriers' to attempts to tackle the 16-year campaign of abuse.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 27 Aug 14 21:17
Well, bless my boots. An escapee from the politics forum trying to turn yet another thread into a 'liberal leftie - labour handwringer' to blame for something which is entirely non-political in its cause.

Of course no Conservative politician has EVER fiddled expenses, bummed anyone, or been responsible for any sleaze, eh?

It just so happens that, most of the areas (though not all) involved in this horror are in Labour constituencies. This hardly makes the MP the person to blame, does it.
Not everything on every fecking thread is to do with Left and Right. No matter how much you want to keep banging the same boring, mostly incorrect, old drum.
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 27 Aug 14 21:21
It just so happens that, most of the areas (though not all) involved in this horror are in Labour constituencies.

You think it is coincidence?
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 27 Aug 14 21:28
It just so happens that when you get thunder and lightning it is usually pissing down as well.
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