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By:
guinness2dear
When: 20 Oct 13 22:15
Isn't that the idea?
By:
A_T
When: 20 Oct 13 22:16
Clarence really earning his money at the moment
By:
brendanuk1
When: 20 Oct 13 22:16
I really dont know any more, I new the papers where rubbish rags, but this takes it to another level
By:
brendanuk1
When: 20 Oct 13 22:17
*Knew
By:
guinness2dear
When: 20 Oct 13 22:18
Brendan: I think we agree at least on there being a whitewash in the British media? Then you have to ask the question - why? (which i already have btw)
By:
AyersRock
When: 20 Oct 13 22:21
guinness2dear 20 Oct 13 21:45 Joined: 19 Jan 07 | Topic/replies: 12,203 | Blogger: guinness2dear's blog
AyersRock: Just who started the court case?

So you have decided to be the balancing factor by producing exactly what?

Everyone on here who doesn't agree with the whitewashing going on has produced clips and their thoughts on this matter and you have taken it upon yourself to try and disprove them by err producing what?

All you have done and are doing is asking others to produce evidence. Where's yours?




By producing common sense counter arguments, people have put forward theories, I have put forward answers to the theories, you make it sound like you want nobody to say anything other than "look, I've got something else on them", very one sided and unfair, surely people want to hear arguments against stuff put forward otherwise you are just the same as the people you are accusing of being biased, i.e the mainstream media and British Police.

Brendan that is scarily similar pics.
By:
tobermory
When: 20 Oct 13 22:22
The UK Media coverage is ridiculous but it isn't a conspiracy.

It is just a 'brand' that they sell , it's one of the things they have used to replace Princess Di .It was said that Diana on the front page would add 300k sales to that day's paper .I expect there is a boost when they have Maddy stories.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 20 Oct 13 22:24
Yes but where's your evidence to counteract? You keep asking people to "post it" - have you seen it" "Where's this been said" etc etc.. Have you got any?
By:
tobermory
When: 20 Oct 13 22:25
Looking up these paedos , they have a very lengthy record of abusing young boys , with no apparent interest in girls at all.

As Brendan says , the story is absurd as the e fits are meant to be of the same person , not of 2 people who don't much look like each other
By:
guinness2dear
When: 20 Oct 13 22:30
Didn't someone on here post something about a criminal record for McCann?
By:
iamajambo
When: 20 Oct 13 22:32
akabula,Yes I have been reading through this thread but I do not think that makes me guilty of hypocrisy,if that's what you're implying.I've made a couple of posts,but only to the effect of the McCanns neglect of their children and what I can only assume was greed in failing to pay for child care on their evenings out.

My point was that we're having the same points for and against made over and over again,but by posting this I've added to it.Plain
By:
brendanuk1
When: 20 Oct 13 22:37
The Sun have been the only paper at the libel trial every day so they know the score. Its really a battle for the uk public opinion it seems and they are getting abit desperate. I cant see thats its a conspiracy though, i can see why they would sell extra papers, but deliberately implying that the efits are 2 people seems designed to confuse (as if 2 efits 1 person wasnt confusing enough!)

I just find it interesting, like the Lindbergh baby and Lord Lucan its just a interesting mystery. The UK media white wash is also something special to chat about
By:
Mcginty
When: 20 Oct 13 22:39
I have got kids, I loved taking them on holiday.

But, going on holiday with a crowd, other than close family/friends,

seems strange to me.

So what motivates a disparate bunch like this,

to arrange holidays together?

And at the same time have little regard for the safety of there children?
By:
AyersRock
When: 20 Oct 13 22:41
When have I ever said I have any evidence keep up, I've said I have put forward the other side to certain accusations like how gerry mccann called the media before the police - when infact the first thing he did was ask one f his friends to run to reception and ask them to call the police - as well as things like be against the detective on trial for making money from a book coming to a conclusion she is probably dead when he has no clue and is discredit.

People have said there is no evidence of an abduction, I am saying it is worth keeping an open mind as to why that might be, the Portuguese Police are not white than white.

Its concerning when people only want to hear one side
By:
breadnbutter
When: 20 Oct 13 22:42
Naydam ...all i am suggesting is if the police say evidence was recovered from the boot of that vehicle 23 days after the child disappeared either that child was in the boot or someone planted the evidence ,and if the child was dead when she was in the boot i agree either she was frozen or she could have been wrapped in plastic ,say a roll of 100 bin bags ? and tightly bound.

look this is a horrible subject and the fact others are coming on saying look lads this is bad..stop it suggests maybe they have a point ,i have took it beyond the tittle tattle and chit chat and expanded hypothesis ,but this is the reality of suggesting the parents had something to do with it ,they disposed of the body and if it was in that car for 23 days it would have taken a bit of doing to conceal.
It could have been in the car and disposed of much earlier and the car hired after ,this is why i ask the material fact where did the car come from ...was it local .

Again where did the car come from ,could Madelaine have been concealed in the car the night she disappeared ,or is the car a complete red herring and the Portuguese police lied about the DNA evidence and went to the lengths of planting cadaver scent in that vehicle and apartment ...what do you prefer ?   you cant have both ....McCanns or Portugese Police ?   YOU CHOOSE .
By:
guinness2dear
When: 20 Oct 13 22:45
Can't you see that's why people on here are giving a different side to the British media? That's who is balancing the mainstream view here, not you..
By:
AyersRock
When: 20 Oct 13 22:48
Yeah and I agree giving info that the mainstream media dont give is a good thing, but at the same time what you post needs to be valid too and backed up
By:
guinness2dear
When: 20 Oct 13 22:51
What like the abduction assumption?
By:
xmoneyx
When: 20 Oct 13 22:59
But, going on holiday with a crowd, other than close family/friends,

seems strange to me.

what do Tarzan,Jane cheetah do?
By:
Emden
When: 20 Oct 13 23:02
what do Tarzan,Jane cheetah do?

Why was a chimp called cheetah?
By:
brendanuk1
When: 20 Oct 13 23:04
Ive gone on holiday with work colleagues, they hired a villa and wanted people to share the costs. It was cheap holiday and i got on with them ok, there were friends of theirs who i had never met before though in a big villa.
In 20s at the time so no kids. I cant imagine going on holiday and bathing some kids of people i had never met though Plain
By:
AyersRock
When: 20 Oct 13 23:16
hey dont worry, i have to leave forum for a while anyway, i'll leave you's to it,

remember i am not a mccann apologist, their are some peculiar instances, simply saying things as i see it

but imvhaho, like i keep saying, the idea of accidental death, collusion in hiding and burying a dead body with several people, staging a fake abduction, pulling strings in very high places and keeping themselves in the limelight 6 and half years to later just  to look innocent is highly unlikely

the fact that there is no evidence of an abduction, remember child kidnappers are professionals as are the police who may have covered up evidence

hopefully one day the truth will out preferably with her being alive!
By:
guinness2dear
When: 20 Oct 13 23:18
Well i think we all hope for that.
By:
Emden
When: 20 Oct 13 23:23
AyersRock
20 Oct 13 23:16
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hey dont worry, i have to leave forum for a while anyway, i'll leave you's to it,

remember i am not a mccann apologist, their are some peculiar instances, simply saying things as i see it

but imvhaho, like i keep saying, the idea of accidental death, collusion in hiding and burying a dead body with several people, staging a fake abduction, pulling strings in very high places and keeping themselves in the limelight 6 and half years to later just  to look innocent is highly unlikely

the fact that there is no evidence of an abduction, remember child kidnappers are professionals as are the police who may have covered up evidence

hopefully one day the truth will out preferably with her being alive!


on that we can all agree
By:
breadnbutter
When: 20 Oct 13 23:35
and so are doctors profesional .
By:
naydam
When: 21 Oct 13 00:05
Well, reading some of the stuff on here...It must have been a hell of a holiday! They seem to have spent all their time digging holes, burying things, scrubbing the flat, planning ways of foiling the police and still have time to relax at night with the rest of their accomplices.
Maybe it was all planned months in advance with the Embassy, Press and Legal team on standby.


Where's the 'Head in Hands' man when you want him?
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 21 Oct 13 00:10
Kate left him asleep just outside this thread.
By:
donny osmond
When: 21 Oct 13 00:14
When have I ever said I have any evidence keep up, I've said I have put forward the other side to certain accusations like how gerry mccann called the media before the police - when infact the first thing he did was ask one f his friends to run to reception and ask them to call the police - as well as things like be against the detective on trial for making money from a book coming to a conclusion she is probably dead when he has no clue and is discredit.


i still hant an opinion, but dont rule anything out , stuff like the above confuses me when he was supposed to have a mobile

so he sent his friend to make a call, whilst he used his mobile for what ?......
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 21 Oct 13 00:36
Somewhere on this thread it was said that the day after the child was murdered/kidnapped/abducted by aliens, mccann deleted every message and call on his phone
By:
xmoneyx
When: 21 Oct 13 01:04
I thought deleted messages  could be found
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 21 Oct 13 02:12
I don't know, but I would assume mccann didn't think so if he deleted them.
By:
MisterBadger
When: 21 Oct 13 02:42
I haven't trawled through all this but what, if any, is the point of this thread - I only ask because there are so many posts?
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 21 Oct 13 02:49
Read it ya lazy facker.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 21 Oct 13 03:15
heres a shortened version

heres my theory

the tapas 9 were engaged in adult entertainment during the holiday
maddie,being left alone,had a tragic accident,died,a fall,or a drug sedative to calm her
she died early,530pm,the checks later on were a ruse
only one other in tapas9 knew the truth,Gerry or kate knew maddie was dead
during that time maddies body was bundled in a car and disposed of
then 10ish raise the alarm
By:
paddletoe
When: 21 Oct 13 03:30
I had thought the very same thing xmoney based on the fact a death might have happened a lot earlier than the disappearance was discovered and just one of the tapas nine being involved.

An death could have happened anytime after someone other than the parents last saw the child alive so it could have been a lot earlier than when she was reported missing. I would think the parents and one other person had lots of opportunity to hide a body in that time frame.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 21 Oct 13 07:44
I thought deleted messages  could be found

Yes they can, well the phone company have independent records, which compared to the handsets will show what has been deleted. There doesnt seem to be much rhyme or reason to what was deleted, other than showing that soon after that night the distraught parents decided to tidy up their phone messages. I think the calls where all tracked and investigated by Portugese.

I haven't trawled through all this but what, if any, is the point of this thread - I only ask because there are so many posts?

for me, Its wondering why the uk media bbc, papers etc are giving a distorted/ one sided/ deliberately confusing view of what happened that night (specically this last week) and why they choose to ignore the ongoing libel case in portugal which looks like the only case that we will see in court as there isnt enough evidence for a criminal case and probably never will be.

Brendan: I think we agree at least on there being a whitewash in the British media? Then you have to ask the question - why? (which i already have btw)

Ok Ive had a think and I reckon I agree with Tobes. have you seen this Billy Wilder film?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_in_the_Hole_(film)

he learns about Leo Minosa, a local man who has become trapped in a cave collapse while gathering ancient Indian artifacts.
Sensing a golden opportunity, Tatum manipulates the rescue effort, convincing an unscrupulous sheriff to pressure the construction contractor charged with the rescue into drilling from above, rather than shoring up the existing passages, so that Tatum can prolong his stay on the front pages of newspapers nationwide.
By:
naydam
When: 21 Oct 13 08:00
I think THAT warrants a 'Man Banging Head on Desk' reply. CryCryCry
I've seen 'Blazing Saddles'. Will that help?
By:
A_T
When: 21 Oct 13 08:02
for me, Its wondering why the uk media bbc, papers etc are giving a distorted/ one sided/ deliberately confusing view of what happened that night (specically this last week) and why they choose to ignore the ongoing libel case in portugal which looks like the only case that we will see in court as there isnt enough evidence for a criminal case and probably never will be.

The media is desperate for Madeleine stories. Reporting of the libel trial would likely mean highlighting lots that is unfavourable to the McCanns so Clarence (or whoever) is bombarding the media with their own material (paedophiles, photofits, witnesses) to ensure that it is the McCann'a agenda that fills the tabloids not daily reports from the trial. If they lose the trial we'll hear little about it - if they win Clarence will spin the story to all the news agencies.
By:
A_T
When: 21 Oct 13 08:09
Basically it's all about managing the news.
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 21 Oct 13 11:23
Am i correct in assuming
mccanns win case- they win a shed load of damages & book gets pulped

mccanns lose case- they're liable for costs,the book will be freely available in uk & uk media can print what they want out of it
or will the uk still be a no go area for it?
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