^ Lets hope this happens. Incredible statements being made on this thread.People need to think before they spew out malicious garbage.

I'd love to see the McCanns suing everybody who thinks they did it. It would be them that were left with the hefty legal bill. Which others will pay on their behalf of course.

I think they sued the express.  Quite right too.  Disgusting for a national newspaper to go bullying a couple whove just lost a child.  When they spoke at leveson they said there were paparazzi banging at their car windows trying to get pics of them and the twins, such that the twins were so scared they started crying.  Ffs how obscene is that, just to get a picture to put in a paper to make money and influence halfwits.

neither have the McCanns in my opinion

still I hope the truth comes out...whatever it is

hmmmmmm

naydam

You misconstrue what I said. I'm in the innocent until proven guilty camp although I think they were stupid leaving three babes unattended. What I was saying was that you were wrong to suggest they couldn't have been guilty of both negligence and have done "it". They could. I don't think they did though.

I thought I read somewhere our police were looking at known paedophiles
but I do apologise if I gave the impression it was fact...
I have no idea who they are looking at
although they say at the moment it does not include the McCanns themselves

naydam    

Right, back to this dog. I assume that Keela is considered to be well trained. I also consider that Keela is quite smart and quick on the uptake. I also assume that, when Keela 'indicates' the presence certain odours, she gets to be fussed over and play with her favourite toy.

Now, any intelligent dog will learn very quickly that they can either go over and over this 'seek seek seek' rigmarole and get no reward, or she can do a quick sit and point, with her outstretched paw, at some random spot and it's all "Good girl, Keela. Fetch!" And we all play fun games and bounce about!

…I also pointed out that it might well be possible for a very naughty little doggy to mislead her handler. All the dog wants to do is to play with it's reward toy. So, why shouldn't she indicate that she's done her job and now she wants her favourite toy. Let's face it...Keela found lots of places where a body had been and therefore got lots of playing. The dog doesn't have any idea of the gravity of the situation. The dog doesn't even know why people can't do their OWN sniffin'.

I would presume that sniffer dogs are subject to regular training and testing. I would also consider it reasonable to suppose that they are not rewarded for indicating false positives during their training and testing. If they are found to indicate false positives with any significant frequency, I would presume that they wouldn't be placed or remain on active service in that capacity.

Based on those presumptions and the assumption that Keela didn't choose this particular case to first go rogue, for your assessment to be correct, presumably Keela only indicates false positives in situations where she has ascertained that her handlers and other officers will find it difficult to disprove her false indications?

Presumably she must also collude with other sniffer dogs used to independently verify her results, such that they too frequently indicate false positives in exactly the same locations she identified?

What an astonishingly clever dog.

Haven't read the thread from the start but think I have got the gist of it.

Is it known whether Keela the dog had previous dealings with any of the names on the suspect list?

Is that meaningful?

JT45. I don't know the answer to this, so maybe you can. Were the results indicated by Keela independently confirmed by another dog (hopefully of equal standing)?

By the way, my comments were a little bit tongue-in-cheek.
But, of course, you would never accept evidence from a witness who was being financially rewarded for their evidence. Luckily, keela doesn't use money...but she don't half enjoy playing with that ball!

naydam,

I don't for know for certain whether Keela's indications were independently verified using another sniffer dog in this case. I would have thought it would be standard practice in the most serious of cases.

I have though briefly searched the web and there are a number of reports that suggest at least one other dog, 'Eddy' or 'Eddie' depending on source, was used and did produce positive indications in at least some of the same locations that Keela indicated positives.

people who think the mccanns have something to do with this are deranged.

he must have been watching them for a few days, are we to believe that this was the case , no way would it have been a spur of the moment thing.

Two seemingly respectable doctors on holiday with their kids.
We are lead to believe they willfully killed their beautiful little girl.

Or alternatively, as a result of a sedative induced accidental death, they disposed of her body to prevent prosecution.
How many sane, rational people on holiday would kill their child. And how many would cover up an accidental death to such an extent.

What sentence would they get (if convicted at all) for an overdose of prescription drugs? They would probably prefer it to be doubled if they had accidentally killed their child. No-one could live with that guilt.

brain dead

They have everything to do with it. If they hadn't left their babes alone to go out the opportunity to snatch Madeline wouldn't have presented itself. Some parents are unlucky. Some parents are unlucky and stupid.

Playing at Nefyn in 10 days time Elisjohn. Can't wait

I suggest you go the 10 miles or so to borth y gest for breakfast, the sea view I think its called, cant be missed, best brekkie ive ever had and endless supply of fresh coffee, then walk tto h the dunes about 5 mins away, a hidden gem, really is fab, kev. enjoy yourself anyhow, im off north devon/ cornwall in few weeks.think actually there is a golf course in borth y gest called morfa bychan

Any parents who can leave 3 kids while they go partying must have some lack of emotional attactment with their children.  And maybe their off-putting bevaiour afterwards makes some people doubt them, but if they were a couple of fat slobs and not 2 upper-class professionals, sure a lot of people would have doubts about them.


Kate McCann said that the last words of Maddie before she went missing were "Today has been the best day of my life." A bit unusual for a three-year-old girl to say that.  Kids that age  don’t usually have a concept of their "life." "I am having the best time," or "I am having fun" are more normal statements for a very young child. So did Kate make that up or did Maddie really say it.

Little things like that add up and just seem a bit odd, but does not mean they are guilty of anything except child neglect.