you have a point mange

that is not right..it seems to have done more for publicity than anything else

A_T
I cant get that up. If it is just arresting known paedophiles does not necessarily mean they have got right one

I actually think she may be alive if someone took and confined her...has been done
but tbh that could be anyone...it would an incredible stroke of luck for police to find her
especially alive, although I would hope that would happen

Are you using a Daily Express headline as indication of fact? Beggars belief!

keela specialist sniffer dog
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html

Cadaver odour is indicated in the McCanns bedroom by the wardrobe, in the living room behind a sofa and a light scent indicated outside in a flowerbed. A blood indication is made behind the sofa.

the Portugese police think the McCanns did it....but without a body cannot prove it

dogs have an incredible sense of smell...not enough to be used as evidence of course

your digging me out Naydam
wont get you anywhere m8

ebul

i worded it badly, when i said they were not that responsible i meant they acted poorly in relation to their child, not that they are blameless

i feel that if they didn't kill her, then their actions certainly left her vulnerable to someone gaining access to her

sorry i wasn't clear, i'm certainly not saying they did nothing wrong, leaving their kid alone was plain nuts imo

Well, here's a fu**ing theory for you. First, though, let's throw ou8t that crap about "the Portuguese police 'think' they did it. The Portuguese police may be able to apply that kind of evidence in local convictions, but this is international and 'we think' simply will not do! Some of them might think she's been beamed up by bloody aliens...that does NOT make it right. Or wrong, for that matter. Only facts will suffice.

Right, back to this dog. I assume that Keela is considered to be well trained. I also consider that Keela is quite smart and quick on the uptake. I also assume that, when Keela 'indicates' the presence certain odours, she gets to be fussed over and play with her favourite toy.
Now, any intelligent dog will learn very quickly that they can either go over and over this 'seek seek seek' rigmarole and get no reward, or she can do a quick sit and point, with her outstretched paw, at some random spot and it's all "Good girl, Keela. Fetch!" And we all play fun games and bounce about!

She probably didn't like all those strange smells in Portugal, anyway. Or those local scruffy dogs. Just a bunch of strays and ne'er-do-wells. Bet she couldn't wait to get home!

Steamship. What is the 'age of consent' in Turkey?

ah you have come up with an argument Naydam

Your first paragraph is saying the Portugese Police are totally inept

Your second argument say sniffer dogs are useless

my answer the Portugese Police are not inept..well you have to come up with a bit more proof
and sniffer dogs are not useless...otherwise know one would use them....
actually they are better than any machine..they are very useful...so again you would have to come up with a bit more proof
to maintain they are all useless

I have had a look at some of your earlier posts
Yes parents do sometimes leave children on their own
but these are older children who been well schooled in such things as don't unlock the door,
what to do in an emergency,etc, they will probably have a mobile phone...so they are aware
and have some capacity to protect themselves

What no parent does, or should do , is to leave 3 infants(oldest 4) who are completely helpless, on their own in a strange country
a strange hotel room..unless they are completely mad or really could not care a less about their own children

Another argument you put, because they Doctors, one must not assume they have any capacity to look after their own children.
Doctors are intelligent and well educated people. their job is the treatment and care of children. Your argument
does not seem to have any credibility  to me.

One fact is they left 3 helpless infants alone for one night, they were too mean to pay a hotel nanny
£25 to look after them...so in fact Madeliene is dead for the want of want of £25

I could not defend these people, if they just did it for the one night, then were Negligent..but people
make mistakes
if they were doing it every night..they are worthless garbage in my opinion
pretty any any parent does better than this

I forgot
the dog was one of ours

specialist British sniffer dogs

it was not just a stray mongrel the Portugese Police picked up off the street as you put it

you should have read my link

the mind boggles how 3 children that young were left alone in a foreign country never mind UK

DCI Redwood was the mastermind behind the Dando investigation expect similar results here.

It seems the biggest issue with the majority is that they're angry that they left the kids alone and have remained unpunished and it's clouded some peoples reasoning regarding who did it.
Not taking sides but hope the police will eventually solve it. I have my doubts though.

The detective leading the case was about to charge the mcCanns before being removed from the case and someone else put in charge after some 'political' pressure

EbulGery. Why should it be ME who has to produce more 'proof'? I don't have ANY proof. I don't know what occurred during the course of this child's disappearance. The only thing that I DO know is that YOU don't know either.

You mentioned that the Portuguese police think the McCanns 'did it'. I simply pointed out that thinking somebody 'did it' is proof of absolutely nothing. Did WHAT, by the way?

I also pointed out that it might well be possible for a very naughty little doggy to mislead her handler. All the dog wants to do is to play with it's reward toy. So, why shouldn't she indicate that she's done her job and now she wants her favourite toy. Let's face it...Keela found lots of places where a body had been and therefore got lots of playing. The dog doesn't have any idea of the gravity of the situation. The dog doesn't even know why people can't do their OWN sniffin'.

As regards Kate 'refusing to answer police questions' as somebody pointed out. I imagine that Portuguese law recognises your right to remain silent. Perhaps she simply exercised that right. Perhaps she was advised to by her 'very expensive' (as somebody else pointed out) lawyer. I can imagine that, from her point of view, the police were expending all of their energy and resources into trying to prove their guilt instead of looking for her missing child.

Now let's look at some facts. The highly efficient Portuguese police haven't got a conviction. The haven't got a body. And they haven't found the child...in FACT they haven't got bugger all!
Am I really expected to believe that two ordinary people have come up with the perfect murder? Well, I'm sorry, but I believe the McCanns account of proceedings over all of these nasty little conspiracy theories.

you can say what you want in chit-chat it has the same status as the house of commons

you have just basically repeated your previous post Naydam

Portugese Police are useless, Sniffer dogs are useless
still you have a right to your opinion

I stand by my opinion. Madeleine is dead because her own parents could not be asked to pay someone to baby sit them
£25 or was it £50 ,that was worth more than the life of their own child to them
And as witnesses have attested they were doing it every night, leaving their children unattended and unprotected.
which I find credible...this makes them truly rancid in my book.

They have also, as mange pointed out, had millions of pounds of public money spent on trying to find Madeleine
whereas other parents in the same situation have has none, even though it was the parents own neglect in this case
which caused it, no neglect, Madeleine would still be alive...it is not that hard to arrange a baby sitter.

So for once I think the tabloids can have this pair. Just an attention seeking pair, who have no idea of
actually caring for their children...so worthless, just in my own opinion of course

Are you deliberately misreading my posts? I have not said the police were useless. I have simply pointed out that they have got precisely NOWHERE with this case in spite of all of their efforts. If that makes them incompetent in your opinion, then so be it, but don't keep saying that it was ME who said it!
I also didn't say that the dog was useless...I simply pointed out how the training methods used could possibly yield inaccurate results.

Are you seriously telling me that the 'evidence' of a dog seeking only it's reward (favourite toy) can be totally trusted? Don't you think that it might be good policy to have at LEAST two sniffer dogs. Then, if they BOTH, independently, indicate exactly the same areas, you might have some degree of assurance that the indicating is correct. Let's face it, Keela might well have just got bored and thought (in doggy), bugger it, I'm gonna tell there's a smell here...the dozy buggers will never the difference! Then she gets to play with her toy...the only thing she cares about in all of this.

I also pointed out that the parents medical training did not necessarily make them any better equipped t be 'good parents' than anybody else. This was again misconstrued.  In fact, the results of what happened that night would indicate that their parenting skills were actually LESS than those of Mr and Mrs Ordinary.
That observation might well apply to the other members of the group as well, if they were doing similar checks on their own kids.

You mention (as do others) the cost of hiring a childminder as if this was a contributing factor. Perhaps it was. Equally, perhaps it wasn't. Personally, I doubt very much if the cost was even considered.

Please read carefully.

What is it with you fellas? Why you speak in riddles?

You think they did WHAT? What is this 'it' you keep referring to?

If, indeed, they are guilt of neglect, and I would agree wholeheartedly on that point, then they cannot be guilty of 'it' regardless of what 'it' might be! Because, if they left their children unattended, they can't have been present to do 'it' (whatever 'it' may be) because they unattended.

"Leaving aside the hysterics and conjecture"!! Are you kidding? Don't you think it might be a good idea to leave those things 'aside' BEFORE you suggest that the child may have been sedated, accidentally overdosed and then died!
There is no question that they were negligent. Deliberately leaving the children unattended was, in itself, and act of negligence.

But now you've dreamed up a dead body that these people have to get rid of while, at the same time, enjoying their tea! Do you have any wondrous theories as to how they accomplished this?

I think I'll settle for the less dramatic potential sequence of events.

A reasonable question..........would the todler have woken.............maybe gone to the door maybe calling "mummy"