Get used to it AM!
This is Britain today. Its only going to get worse.
Still, no need to worry! That's if you emigrate, of course!

As much as I would like to continue this debate and offer my considered opinion on how this country got to this situation, I am logging off for a spot of tiffin.

Many of you will disagree with me, and that is your right. But take a look at the criminal system in the UK. The criminals have more rights than the victims. The Day of The Vigilante approaches!

Hasta Banana

1st time poster     08 Aug 12 17:46 
boyfriend of grandmother led away by police ,no news on arrest

So Boyfriend helping police, not been led away in a banged to rights way you are expressing.

Saddo's,me out of this thread.

Being led away does have certain connotations though, and it doesn't look good for him. His past record, the slightly inconsistent accounts of whether or not he walked down to the tram stop with her, the fact that she doesn't appear on CCTV footage anywhere, despite the fact that the estate is crammed to the gills with CCTV cameras (I can spot quite a few by the house even from Google Maps!)..

Cases of children being abducted or coming to a sad end are, mercifully, rather rare. But most involve family members rather than strangers.

1 child a week dies at the hands of another person in UK

Oh yeah I was not knocking your post. I don't know what is worse. Let's hope Tia is found safe and well.

bad taste i know

which family member is the guy with crim record for drugs ? ah mr hazell drug dealer?  is that correct??   nice eh ??
anyway they haven't tried to fit up a lecturer/landlord yet then!!!

And an apparent machete offence Moisok which he served 12 months for. He has been on the straight and narrow for a good few years now. The press love a villain.

Couldnt tell you Moisok. Never met the guy but we have been told that he has been with the Gran( Christine) for a few years now, which is quite steady for her.

Think Moisok is correct though. The offence was in 2010, and he got (as you say) a year for it, so saying he's been on the straight and narrow for a good few years now is probably pushing it.  Perhaps he's been on the straight and narrow for one year..

anyway I was one of the first to post on sky being on the ball and plastering it all ovet the placeand the bbc virtuallyh ignoring it
now I would guess a lot more may well pick up the beeb around there but they were very lax in publicising it
sky wasn't  but sadly made no difference

whoever it is needs putting down !!!

three kids, certainly under 12, one way under say around 8 ish!!!  , in my area all over a neighbours car - 9 pm  and out - what the fk s going on
sadly slicer is right

The sniffer dogs have been in the house so would they pick up the scent of malpractice in the house?

Gabrial. The dog could be trained to find almost anything. Different dogs are used for different things. Searching for mobile phones or banknotes for example.

Naydam. The dogs used would have been trained to scent death possibly, perhaps to eliminate Tia being the victim in the house.

I'm trying to maintain a bit of hope.

AG a cadaver dog might give an indication that there had been a corpse present but the police would not use them to eliminate the possibility.

In any case I don't think alsatians are used as cadaver dogs it's normally a spaniel - but I may be wrong.

Indeed the dogs are highly trained animals and are rewarded for doing their job by being given their favourite toy to play with.

It would look a bit odd if they were taken into a building, ostensibly to look for a body, and then seen leaving with a shin of beef.

not as ,improbable as getting a bus,tram into croydon and getting some flip flops out of a tenner, theyll be saying next there was enough left over for a fish supper

1st time, supposedly children are often allowed to travel for free on trams. Seem to have missed that when I was a child, but that's what the papers are saying, and explains (possibly) why she wouldn't have needed money for travel.

You can buy flipflops for a few quid if you ain't too fussy. And if you're buying flipflops then you ain't fussy in the slightest. To be honest, that's the thing I don't understand. Who pays for a pair of flipflops???