Just to add.

When my wife first told me about it and i watched the news. I turned to her and asked her about Christines boyfriend. Following a phone call my wife had, she was told that he did not drive.

Now believing the police had thoroughly searched the house i could not see how he could get rid of the body. On top of this we were hearing that the family believed in him. You need to really understand how this works before you add your comments.

I dont expect an apology.

Amazing scenes.

I thought that this would be a big case for the CCDA. And the usual super-sleuths detectives/Norris from Coronation St types seem to have had another successful case from the off.

Bang to rights on the strength of the compelling evidence of "look at the f'ing state of him".

Another one off to Alcatraz to join The Landlord, that British bloke who was the local weirdo in Portugal and Raoul Moat (although I seem to remember that there was a few chit chat masterminds who had Moat down as an innocent man and it all being a misunderstanding).

Disgraceful that the likes of the Met rely on 'trusted' methods and then, when they do think outside the box, turn to the likes of Uri Geller and Mystic Meg instead of inviting a delegation from here up to Scotland Yard.

I haven't been disrespectful in anyway

Try this

Nothing but attention seeking imo on the back of a terrible crime.

I have explained previously all the other points that you made.

We've solved it Clay.... Lets get back to the personal attacks.

For someone 'ITK' AG is hardly a good character witness. Swore that SH was 'good bloke' his 'life of crime behind him' (despite numerous recent offences. Now saying Christine is a 'lovely woman' etc. She looked like she had something to hide when looking angrily at a News crew the day before the body was found.

Are we to really beleive she had a body in her loft for 7 days and knew nothing of it? It's possible, but history shows rather improbable.

Oh, and this 'salt of the earth' woman is shacked up with a violent drug dealing ex con who happened to be an ex of her daughters and allegedly has had rather a lof of experience with fellas!!

And what of Tia who at 12 years old was said to be 'Clued Up.' WTF does that mean?! Hardly an idylic upbringing for anyone. I grew up on a very tough council estate with all the hardships that go with it but doesn't mean it's ok for a family to be 'dysfunctional' and make excuses for awful parenting skills.

Charwell

When SH did his press con who was sat next to him? David, Tia`s Uncle. It was not just one member who had faith in SH it was many.

Now saying Christine is a 'lovely woman' etc. She looked like she had something to hide when looking angrily at a News crew the day before the body was found.

What rubbish. So you think that she looked like she had something to hide. What kind of look was that? Was it the first time someone has got angry after being hounded by the press!

Why would she know a body was in her loft? The police had come round to search the property. Think about it.

Christine too fat to get in loft. I dont belive she could have had anything to do with it. She was the kid's grannie...what grannie would kill their grandchild....has this ever happened before? No!

Blacky

You have a valid point in hindsight.

Yet SH had been on the scene for around 5 years and if in those 5 years he had shown any indication of violence towards Tia he would have been dealt harshly with by the uncles and great uncles. I guarantee SH was scared of the males in Christine`s family. So he conned his way into their trust even with his other convictions.

Even at the end they could not conceive that SH would do anything like this. Being objective when someone has gained the trust is somehow difficult.

Gabrial, do these people have no conscience or morals?

"Here you are mum, I'm fed up of this thieving, drug dealing, machete wielding loser, you can have him."

"Oooooh thanks love."

OK that doesn't mean they deserve this but ffs what example are they setting.

Sorry gabrial, rose tinted glasses, the father hasn't been sighted for years. These big hard protective men were nowhere to be seen, they may be hard, whatever that means, but they're irresponsible. Most families wouldn't have anything to do with that filth, let alone let him babysit the kids ffs.

Definitely a dysfunctional underclass family - no way can you attempt to brand them working class - it would be an insult to all working class families.

Pixie

Still working class Pixie. Dysfunctional because of allowing SH to be a guardian figure.

Absent biological fathers, stepfathers etc in all sorts of classes.

Barrow,

Thats only because they missed the body on the first search. They have already admitted this.

They have to give that timeline to officiate the enquiry.

Nope, underclass. A word originating from USA in the late 20th Century and is categorized as below, according to Wiki:

“The underclass is most visible in urban slum settings and is about 70 percent nonwhite, but it includes many rural and white people as well, especially in Appalachia and the South. Much of the urban underclass is made up of street hustlers, welfare families, drug addicts, and former mental patients. There are, of course, people who function well – the so-called ‘deserving’ or ‘working poor’ – and better-off people who function poorly, but in general low income and serious behavioral difficulties go together. The underclass is not large as a share of population, perhaps 9 million people, but it accounts for the lion’s share of the most serious disorders in American life, especially in the cities.”

Behavioral Characteristics

Not only is the underclass frequently said to think differently, they are also said to behave differently. According to some, the underclass suffers from a multitude of “behavioral deficiencies,” such as crime, violence, sexual promiscuity, welfare dependency, and substance abuse.[23][24][18] Much of these behaviors are identified by their consequences, such as the high number of teen and out of wed-lock births and the overrepresentation of the underclass in U.S. prisons and jails.[25][18] These behavioral deficiencies, coupled with arguments that the underclass is psychologically disconnected from mainstream society, are occasionally highlighted as evidence that the underclass live in a subculture of poverty. From this point of view, members of the underclass embody a distinct set of thoughts, perceptions, and actions – a “style of life” - that are transmitted across generations.[26] However, just as the conceptualization of a “culture of poverty” in general is debated, so too are the attempts to frame the underclass as members of such a culture.

Basically, just because you happen to have a job, it doesn't make you working class. The description above could have been written about poor Tia's family.

Pixie to save me time can you highlight which parts i should be looking at.

Angel Gabrial 14 Aug 12 14:33 
Pixie to save me time can you highlight which parts i should be looking at.


All of it's relevant.

The one who killed her

out of wed-lock births . I think you will find that the majority of births "out of wed-lock" are within the middle classes.

Correct Blacky

That applies to SH.

Peter did you know that Christine was not even aware Tia was at her house. Christine had already left for work, Tia had her own key.

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