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By:
Hound-Dog-2
When: 13 Aug 12 12:28
Latalomne - because no plea was entered at this stage, that was probably on the advice from his solicitor (?)

My point about playing the system on this mental health thing
like that Dewani case, makes a mockery of the law, (and one of those hit-men has got a brain tumour, but a judge has ruled that he has still got to face trial).

Another one, that mass killer in Norway, the key issue that remains is
what was the state of his mental health. And he could be deemed
not responsible for his actions.  Same thing with that Batman killer in the cinema.

My point was this bloke Hazell could play the system with mental health issue (?)
Which sometimes  makes  a complete mockery and takes the p1ss out of the justice system.
By:
blackburn1
When: 13 Aug 12 12:30
Oh I see, he's not sure if he killed her or not, it could be he pleads attempted murder
By:
boggle
When: 13 Aug 12 12:42
As others have said, it could be related to his drugs in some way. Would you confess to murder if you thought there might be a chance of a lesser charge before the result is known? The body had been there a week, probably not long enough to lose vital evidence, but who knows how he thinks, maybe he's thinking about how he can come out of it as lightly as possible.
By:
blackburn1
When: 13 Aug 12 12:44
maybe he's thinking about how he can come out of it as lightly as possible.

Jesus wept

Cry
By:
boggle
When: 13 Aug 12 12:45
What's your problem?
By:
blackburn1
When: 13 Aug 12 12:49
It would hardly be the first time a bloke gets arrested and pretends he's innocent ffs. He killed a child and hid the body in a loft, he hasn't been stopped for a faulty brake light.
By:
boggle
When: 13 Aug 12 12:58
We're talking about why he has not entered a plea.
By:
ClayDavis
When: 13 Aug 12 13:55
According to The Times today Police sources told them the reason for the "human error" apology is that they now accept the body was there all along and was never ever moved. They missed the body on THREE separate occasions.

Who wants to lay me a bet that this wasn't murder??? NO way on earth is this murder. This is something (drugs perhaps) that has gone badly wrong
By:
A_T
When: 13 Aug 12 14:08
Vincent Tabak entered no plea at this stage too. The investigation is still ongoing so they will want to wait until they see what the case is against him.
By:
A_T
When: 13 Aug 12 14:09
By "they" I mean Hazel and his defence.
By:
desperatemunter
When: 13 Aug 12 14:09

Aug 12, 2012 -- 5:28PM, desperatemunter wrote:


as Shaky says : finds a drugs stash, OD's, they try to cover it up, is highly plausible.


like that, yes. possible.

By:
casemoney
When: 13 Aug 12 14:24
My wife works with a lady who knows Christine ,she has said that christines mother was an angel and they were actually
a very nice family ,who would do anything for anyone ,obviously talking about a previous generation as she only knows
christine to say hello to ,she also told the mrs she has heard the body was in the water tank ..
By:
Ozymandius
When: 13 Aug 12 14:25
Drug stash theory a possibility, though a bit of a coincidence that it happened when yer man was alone in the house with her.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 13 Aug 12 14:26
Not to mention the fact that she was 'smothered'.
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Aug 12 14:27
I live not far from where Hazell was arrested btw..
By:
Ozymandius
When: 13 Aug 12 14:30
that could qualify you for an interview on Sky News
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Aug 12 14:34
Was on way home friday was about 20 old bill cars flying about Plain
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 13 Aug 12 14:49
So firstly Gabrial and now Casemoney. Is there anyone (besides me!) on this ratted thread who doesn't have some sort of personal connection to this family??  Seems a very small world we live in...
By:
Ylime
When: 13 Aug 12 15:17
I don't have any connection to this "Family" ....
By:
ClayDavis
When: 13 Aug 12 16:18
The CCDA are repeating errors of past investigations and ignoring FACTS.

What was the motive?
SH must have spent many a day and night alone with Tia without any apparent problems.
Why would the neighbour say he saw Tia leave if it's clear she never left the house? Is he that close to SH that he would lie in order to cover up the death of a 12 year old?
Or was this a complete accident/tragedy that those close to SH knew he would be blamed for it so tried to cover up in order to avert this from happening?
If it was murder then why oh why was the body NEVER moved from the house? Even to the garden ffs. You hardly need to be Albert Einstein to work out the cops would be all over the house like a doze of salts. So why not try and move it?
Was there any change in anyone's attitudes after Plod failed to find the body in 3 separate searches of the house?
Why did Plod search a fourth time after failing to find the body in three previous searches? Would 3 searches of the house not have been sufficient in their eyes?
Did Plod receive a tip off advising them to search a fourth time?
So we are led to believe that someone murdered Tia, and for 9 days did absolutely nothing to cover their tracks. Never moved the body. Hid the body in the loft (1st place any Plod with half a brain cell would have looked).
I'm sorry but the FACTS do not point to this being murder in the slightest.

Motive? Neighbour's involvement? No attempt to move body?

FACTS only please
By:
Ylime
When: 13 Aug 12 16:23
BODY NOT MOVED ISSUE

Perhaps he was planning on moving the body but something happened that triggered the Grandmother to call the police and report her missing prior to him being in a position to move Tia. We also know from Angel Gabrial that SH cannot drive. we also know that the garden is largely paved....

Once the Plod are on the plot his options are very limited.
By:
Ylime
When: 13 Aug 12 16:26
CAUSE OF DEATH

It has also been reported that she was smothered.
By:
11kv
When: 13 Aug 12 16:31
IF he did murder her the whys and wherefores may never be found

One thing is certain the girl is dead and her family and freinds will suffer for alot longer than the person/people who did this to her,pure pure evil...............
By:
ClayDavis
When: 13 Aug 12 16:59
For there to have been murder there must have been a motive....what's the motive?


What's the role of the next door neighbour?
By:
tobermory
When: 13 Aug 12 16:59
What was the motive? Sexual advance rejected in such a way that SH knew she would report it? Or maybe lost his temper , hit her, again fear she would go to police?
SH must have spent many a day and night alone with Tia without any apparent problems. Maybe he had been flirting with her  on previous nights, grooming, stepping it up gradually and now thought this was the moment
Why would the neighbour say he saw Tia leave if it's clear she never left the house? Is he that close to SH that he would lie in order to cover up the death of a 12 year old? Possibly put up to it by SH, or more likely just trying to be helpful or confused about the day in question.There were over 60 'sightings' of Tia after she went missing, people like to be involved,attention seeking etc
Or was this a complete accident/tragedy that those close to SH knew he would be blamed for it so tried to cover up in order to avert this from happening? seems unlikely if she was smothered
If it was murder then why oh why was the body NEVER moved from the house? Even to the garden ffs. You hardly need to be Albert Einstein to work out the cops would be all over the house like a doze of salts. So why not try and move it? Garden could be in plain view of neighbours.The police are hardly not going to look there! Loft a more secure hiding place really
Was there any change in anyone's attitudes after Plod failed to find the body in 3 separate searches of the house? Don';t know
Why did Plod search a fourth time after failing to find the body in three previous searches? Would 3 searches of the house not have been sufficient in their eyes? I 'd say the early searches were maybe 'routine' if they still had the abduction theory uppermost. The total blank from CCTV and then maybe they really put the heat on the neighbour's 'sighting' which they always seemed to have doubts about.The neighbour crumbled and now there was only SH's word
Did Plod receive a tip off advising them to search a fourth time? just as above i think
So we are led to believe that someone murdered Tia, and for 9 days did absolutely nothing to cover their tracks. Never moved the body. Hid the body in the loft (1st place any Plod with half a brain cell would have looked). SH did not drive a car so wtf else was he going to do? call the council department that disposes of bulky items?
By:
Ylime
When: 13 Aug 12 17:04
For one thing the neighbour said he saw Tia leaving the house....It has now been established that she did not leave the house so was interviewed under caution for the offence of assisting an offender.
By:
A_T
When: 13 Aug 12 17:09
TNOCCDA doesn't need facts it knows a wrongun when it sees one
By:
BonVivvy
When: 13 Aug 12 17:44
Is there ANY CHANCE at all it could have been the Bristol Landlord??
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 Aug 12 18:04
11kv

That is looking likely. I dont think that he will ever admit to murder.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 13 Aug 12 18:48
In the case of appearing from custody for something as serious as murder the accused wouldn't be expected to enter a plea on the morning after his arrest and at his first appearance in court.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 13 Aug 12 18:50
His motive could be as simple as he likes killing kids but you don't need a motive for there to be a murder.
By:
BonVivvy
When: 13 Aug 12 19:20
gotta be a nap he's been "at it" with the kid and the kid's said she'l blab and he's done her in.

This is after all CCDA where "looking dodgy" is as strong as a unanimous guuilt verdict by a jury in any other walk of life.
By:
skipthatstep
When: 13 Aug 12 19:41
He's deffo the type to go "no comment" to every question asked.. If he bathed the body after death there may not be any evidence of a sexual motive.
By:
BonVivvy
When: 13 Aug 12 19:45
he may do a Huntley and just concoct some preposterous story and the real details may never come out,lets hope he remembers the kids memory when his ar'se is bleeding.
By:
Peter Ridsdale
When: 13 Aug 12 20:15
The Chit Chat detectives will be over the moon that they have inside information from casemoney who lives near were Hazell was arrested and AG who's wife is a relative and can remember the deceased been born Surprised
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 Aug 12 20:19
He wont want to associate himself with what he did to Tia.

Probably a compulsive liar who will just keep it going. After he is sentenced and is being eye balled by other psychotic types in prison. He will keep himself in the position of denial to give himself what he believes a chance of being spared violent attacks.

No one will buy it.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 Aug 12 20:22
Peter

Dont be an idiot now.
By:
Peter Ridsdale
When: 13 Aug 12 20:33
Whatever, you claimed Hazell was a nice bloke and blasted anybody who said different! FFS you could see from looking at him and the way he talked he was scum. You keep dropping into your posts about how you're related to the family but have never met them and even had other posters offering you their condolences. Nothing but attention seeking imo on the back of a terrible crime.
By:
skipthatstep
When: 13 Aug 12 20:40
Shocked
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 Aug 12 21:20
Forgive Peter he is an idiot.

First of all i have never met SH. I am not going to directly tell idiots like you what relations of the family i am related to.

You need to remember that the direct family of Tia did not think SH capable of doing it. Not my intuition in question but there`s. As Pixie mentioned being connected to the case through family relationships can hinder objectiveness.

That is evident in many murder cases.

Also i have added that condolences should not be for me. So jog on Peter you prick.
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