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Tia Sharp the 12 year old girl missing from South London.
Tia Sharp the 12 year old girl missing from South London.
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I tend to agree. His behaviour has been more of a guilt-ridden ****wit than a master criminal or psycho paedo.
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this is right - having violence/drug-dealing convictions in no way suggests you are more likely than the vicar next door to be involved in sexual or violence offences against a 12 year old girl.
in fact almost ALL the nastiest people, the lifelong pedophiles and serial killers, once uncovered lived lives of apparently blameless normality - or so it appeared. |
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She should be more concerned with the fact that she chose to shack up with her daughters ex boyfriend, and that she subsequently chose to leave her granddaughter in his care. There is no shaking that off.
I'm sorry but I don't buy that. There are millions of Step Parents, grandfathers, uncles etc in these Isles that shouldn't be tarred with the same brush. One bad egg doesn't spoil the box. I have a now grown Step Son that I was left alone with when he was a child. Is that poor judgement on my wife's behalf? I'm sure as AG has pointed out that Stuart Hazell seemed an OK bloke, you can't tar Tia's parents for trusting him. Cases like this are rare, indeed very rare, thankfully. |
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twomatchpoints 12 Aug 12 15:40 pixie - that's rubbish Just because somebody has convictions for violence doesn't mean he will automatically hurt a child There are probably more nutjobs with no violent record whatsoever, of both sexes, who had got to the stage of divorce and decided to kill their children and themselves Don't put words in my mouth. Where did I say he would automatically hurt a child? I would suggest, that a man with convictions for violence would be far more likely to repeat offend and become violent again, whether it be with a child or not, than someone who has no criminal record - quite fecking obvious wouldn't you say? Ultimately, the Grandmother showed appalling judgement in allowing a violent criminal with drug convictions to look after a 12 year old girl on his own. A judgement that most people would not make and people will always judge her for it accordingly. |
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Any suggestion of sexual activity at this point is just pure speculation.
Surely there is a correlation between a man having being violent on the past and his likeliehood of re-offending. Ok, he wasn't violent against young girls in the past, but perhaps the fact that she is a young girl is not directly relevant to the crime. |
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Clunge,hes certainly no master criminal,but his bbc interview protesting his innocence & elaborating details of tias movements while all the time the girl was upstairs dead portrayed many psychopathic tendancies.
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I have a now grown Step Son that I was left alone with when he was a child
Do you have a criminal record similar to the man in question? If not, I am not sure that I understand the analogy. |
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Agreed.^^^^^^
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Had convictions for dealing crack cocaine and possession of a machete, looks like death warmed up.
Would not get anywhere near my kids in a million years if I could help it. Not tarring everyone with the same judge - quite happy to judge on appearances in his case, if that's not PC then tough. |
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^brush not judge.
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I do love high profile CCDA threads..where even virtual zero initial evidence does little to stop the flow of suggestion.
Feels eevr so like the Karen Mathews thing to me (bar the actual murder)whenever the lid is lifted on the underclass it always leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. |
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Do you have a criminal record similar to the man in question? If not, I am not sure that I understand the analogy.
No but afaik his criminal record wasn't for Pedophilia. |
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maybe he was high on crack when incident happened or shared it with tia
still waiting for autopsy |
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dealing crack cocaine and possession of a machete
Guess that automatically makes him a child killer then. |
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so letting a man with convictions for dealing crack cocaine look after a 12 year old girl is OK then?
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Whilst the 'never offended before, nobody would suspect him, kind family man' cases stand out in our memories, I'm pretty sure that in murder/manslaughter cases in general people with previous for lesser crimes will be much more likely to be offenders. Possibly not with child molestation though. I suspect that wasn't the case here anyway.
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Tia's parents should not be criticsed for leaving their child with him. I'm sure there are loads of trustworthy ex criminals that wouldn't harm a child. I feel this is a witch hunt tarring them all with the same brush. Tia's parents and grandmother obviously had no issue with this man minding the child.
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Ovalman. 12 Aug 12 16:09
dealing crack cocaine and possession of a machete Guess that automatically makes him a child killer then. Of course it doesn't - but it proves that he's capable of extreme violence and the drugs, potentially dangerous erratic behaviour. Who said he killed her because he was a paedo? |
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So you would leave your children alone, with a man with a history of violence and drug abuse then, Ovalman?
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I would leave my child with someone I trusted.
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Answer the question.
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might the fact that her mother's boyfriend became her grandmother's boyfriend also have been just a little bit disturbing for Tia?
Imagine when you were a kid if you're mum split up with your dad (step or otherwise) and then your dad went to live with your grandma? |
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Yes, if I trusted him. I wouldn't hold his past evictions against him in this case if he was trustworthy. Not every machette wielding maniac is a child killer, I'm sure the stats would prove me correct.
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Of course they're not and not every time you cross a road blindfolded do you get run over.
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People involved in the drugs trade who go round wielding machetes ,generally have a few enemies ,I would not be leaving
children in their care tbh .. |
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If that was merited then fine. If he ended up killing her though, your trust was misplaced and you should indeed be criticised.
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Pixie - actually you've got to cut your losses and admit when you're wrong. I am not sure of the degree of the incident involving the machette conviction but I'd failed to notice or ignored it until now. I stand by my comments generally, that people take each other largely on trust and ought to and that people who behave criminally do not habitually go on to harm kids. But yes, if she knew full well of that machette attack and that it was indeed an act of violence, rather than something minor like possession (which still wouldn't excuse her trusting him) then it really is perhaps an error of judgement that ought to haunt her.
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dealing crack cocaine and possession of a machete
not exactly a reference |
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I don't like these threads. Betfair should be ashamed of themselves.
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OK I understand, everyone that gets convicted with a machette is an automatic child murderer. I should have guessed, I'm sure you have the data to back up your assumption.
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I think you're talking nonsense there Ovalman.
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boggle 12 Aug 12 16:25
Pixie - actually you've got to cut your losses and admit when you're wrong. I am not sure of the degree of the incident involving the machette conviction but I'd failed to notice or ignored it until now. I stand by my comments generally, that people take each other largely on trust and ought to and that people who behave criminally do not habitually go on to harm kids. But yes, if she knew full well of that machette attack and that it was indeed an act of violence, rather than something minor like possession (which still wouldn't excuse her trusting him) then it really is perhaps an error of judgement that ought to haunt her. Where am I wrong? You have changed your mind now you are aware of the facts and are now agreeing with me! Jeez, some people on this site..... |
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MC Roller be ashamed - suggesting its anything other than right and proper for people to have an exchange of views on the most important things that happen in society.
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Oval would you not be worried about former enemies possibly turning up at the house or something simular ?
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has anyone explained why tia was staying overnight at her grandmas house on a regular basis especially so when the gran worked nights.what was wrong with her own home.
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Of course he is Clunge. Can't admit he's talking complete and utter bawlarks and is too stupid to come clean.
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pixie, I meant when I am wrong
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He actually had quite a long list of offenses under his belt. Nothing that would shout out 'child murderer' (although I'm not quite as sanguine as you are about 'possession of a machete'!), but certainly there were plenty of suggestions that sensible people shouldn't be leaving their children in his care.
I don't blame the grandmother so much (who quite possibly wouldn't believe anything bad of him), but the mother and stepfather shouldn't have been allowing their child to go over there so much. In most cases the child wouldn't have come to any harm, but in this case she quite clearly did. And that almost certainly wouldn't have been the case had the mother and stepfather thought 'can we really trust this guy around our little girl?' Sorry, but those are facts. |
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Ovalman.
Ovalman. 12 Aug 12 16:27 Joined: 29 Nov 02 | Topic/replies: 10,122 | Blogger: Ovalman.'s blog OK I understand, everyone that gets convicted with a machette is an automatic child murderer. I should have guessed, I'm sure you have the data to back up your assumption. Nobody on the thread has stated or even assumed that and it's downright embarrassing to suggest otherwise. |
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the crying on a park bench may well have been self pity rather than guilt
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