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Tia Sharp the 12 year old girl missing from South London.
Tia Sharp the 12 year old girl missing from South London.
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so it must be him. We need to be given full rights to search his house'
As said though they always had this right . Searches without warrants are justified in the act of parliament 'when life or limb are in danger', an old fashioned phrase that is not to be taken literally, simply meaning a very grave crime is suspected and that the grounds for suspicion being enough to search are clearly in law to be defined by the police themselves , with legal enquiry into the justification only being in retrospect if there is a complaint. As it is they most likely were given permission by the grandmother and it is barely conceivable that she would have denied them this anyway. Had she done so then they could have asked for a warrant and it would have been an absolute formality to get one. How do people even doubt a warrant would have been issued  Police: We think Tia is in the house because of xyz but the GM won't let us look in the loft Magistrate; Well i don't think your grounds for suspicion are strong enough so she may be there or maybe not but i'm not letting you look so it will have to remain a mystery. |
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Tobe
As it is they most likely were given permission by the grandmother and it is barely conceivable that she would have denied them this anyway. Christine never objected to any searches and suggested the police could look anywhere. If Christine was ever involved you would imagine she would have moved the body using her car, rather than inviting the police in to conduct searches of the property. Anyway she has been released on bail and SH finally charged with Tia`s murder. |
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Most likely SH acted alone here he probably tried to blame Grandma which was why she was arrested. God knows why the neighbour told lies about seeing Tia probably not the full ticket.
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The copper in charge is a character. From humble plod to detective chief inspector in ten years. Now THAT'S fast track
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SH was still professing to be looking for Tia when he was arrested.
He was always going to blame others. Yesterday it appeared Christine was the main suspect for murder. That should never have happened. The police messed up in not finding the body for 7 days which lead them to initially believe the body had perhaps been moved so that moves suspicion more towards Christine who owns a car. Combine this with SH blaming others. Tia`s mum and gran will in hindsight be distressed that their bad judgement of allowing SH to be any kind of guardian and to be left alone with Tia which resulted in her murder. They will be haunted by this forever. The police seem to have added to the distress by being so incompetent which has had a knock on effect. |
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Indeed, the law would be insane if refusing to allow something gave the police grounds to do it.
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was reading in the paper today Police admitted that they had searched the loft
but missed Tia's body. they say 'human error', but almost unbelievable a small house like that and they miss a body. |
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Would Christine the gran have been such a suspect if the body had been found on the first search?
Was she suspected of the murder because police believed the body must have been moved? and Christine had the car. If this is the case, then her name has been further tarred due to the incompetence by the police of the highest order. Her photo was all over the papers and news reported to being the number one murder suspect. Surely that will be hard to shake off, along with the grief for her grandaughter. |
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I think, on balance, her association with her partner is going to be more of a problem.
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I was just about to say the same thing, Clungehungry.
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I think, on balance, her association with her partner is going to be more of a problem.
I agree but the `arrest on suspicion of murder` will stay in peoples minds even if completely cleared of all accusations. Being guilty of extremely poor judgement of character should not mean people condemn her for life. She will do that that for herself. |
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At what point did she know her grand-daughter was dead
When the police found the body? Or did she know prior to this? |
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She had no idea until the body was found. Relatives had been in and out of that house helping with the `missing girl` search/support. Not knowing that SH had murdered Tia and hid her in the loft.
No way would she have been able to sleep knowing Tia was dead in the loft. |
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Hope you are correct, but you know this how
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Her photo was all over the papers and news reported to being
the number one murder suspect. Surely that will be hard to shake off She should be more concerned with the fact that she chose to shack up with her daughters ex boyfriend, and that she subsequently chose to leave her granddaughter in his care. There is no shaking that off. |
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"Neighbours yesterday said they were furious that the house had not been properly searched earlier.
One neighbour said: ‘I don’t think it happened soon enough. After 24 hours, they should have been ripping that house apart." Obviously don't know all the details, or why it took the cops 8 days. But the benefit of hindsight is a great luxury. Although can't believe the police were so incompetent, or could the body have been moved or put there after the first search. Suppose the full story will come out eventually. |
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Extremely poor judgement leaving Tia with that man. Expect there will be a lot lurking in Hazel's past
that we will hear eventually. |
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imagine dating your daughters ex boyfriend who's a convicted criminal and leaving your grand daughter alone with him,
if it wasn't so sad it would be laughable,Jeremy Kyle stuff. |
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Human error. FFS.
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Are some of you not being a bit harsh? There are plenty of less-than-savoury characters with access to kids that would never think of harming one of them. By his actions he must have built up some trust in the past. She was deceived. It seems we have gone from blaming him, then the police to blaming the grandmother. No, it's still him.
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some breathtaking comments/accusations on here.
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She should be more concerned with the fact that she chose to shack up with her daughters ex boyfriend, and that she subsequently chose to leave her granddaughter in his care. There is no shaking that off.
Shacking up with daughters ex boyfriend is hardly a crime. Terrible judgement of character is not a crime and hindsight is a great thing. Violent blokes and drug dealers around the world have kids around them, but would never dream of hurting them. People reform and are given chances by people. Yes its very bad judgement but these estates have criminals on every street in one form or another. Many people never picked up on Hazell being a danger to children. The mum and gran will surely blame themselves enough. |
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did any of the family look in the loft ? at first the police would be looking for a missing child not a dead one so they wouldnt really rip the house apart
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Boggle
Yes, pointing the finger at the gran and all the press coverage suggesting she was the murderer was wrong. |
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Gazo
Perhaps SH told the family he had searched the loft. Christine would struggle to get up there. |
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Interesting to find out why this witness said they saw Tia leaving the house. Really threw a spanner into the investigation.
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Shacking up with daughters ex boyfriend is hardly a crime
Not a crime but indicates serious poor judgement. If the family unit wasn't already dysfunctional, this would likely ensure it. |
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Oz
Yes i said poor judgement. I think Christine had stood by him for about 5 years, before then there had been plenty. Dysfunctional becomes the norm on these estates. |
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Well you'd think that given how we are always hearing about the vast armies of scum that inhabit these estates that they'd be so morally bankrupt as to be committing murders hand over fist, yet that doesn't seem to be the case. Most people draw the line at actually taking another's life no matter how scummy they are in other respects. I don't think her judgement was poor, I think she trusted the guy and he did nothing that caused anyone any apparent concern in the years that followed that he might murder a child one day. To be honest we just trust people are what they present themselves as being, irrespective of their postcode (and perhaps their past).
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We don't really know much so far to be fair. He's been charged, but it doesn't mean he's guilty (I mean obviously I bet he is). I still find it hard to believe he put her in the loft, although I guess that's the most likely explanation.
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So....If he put poor Tia in the loft....
The police were seen going in with ladders for the 3rd search but not the first one.....I therefore assume there is no loft ladder or existing ladder handy and that they couldnt have done a thorough search which is indicated by the latest police statement, does that mean they just peeered in and shone a torch and called out?......And if there was no ladder for the police to use how did SH get Tia up there in the first place?.....Or am I missing something? |
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^so if somebody tried to sell you a timeshare, and you found out he/she was a convicted fraudster, you'd go ahead with the transaction?
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Isn't the place surrounded by CCTV, clunge? He didn't drive, he had limited choices and time.
She might have just died and he panicked fearing no one would believe him, maybe there was fight and she fell, who knows, yes I know we all think it was probably the worst and that that or something like it is most likely, but as yet we know nothing. |
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I think boggles right, as soon as someone dies your first thought is to carry them up to the loft
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Boggle talking a like a loony liberal; failing to accept a dangerous criminal can kill a child and excusing anyone for failing to read the signs. I would be extremely surprised if this evil man has not shown violent tendencies in the years that he's been sh'gging the grandma and I think she must have known what he was capable of. Most 'normal' people don't trust anyone on how they would like to be perceived but on hard evidence - like signs of violence and aggression, cruelty, criminal record, etc.
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pixie - that's rubbish
Just because somebody has convictions for violence doesn't mean he will automatically hurt a child There are probably more nutjobs with no violent record whatsoever, of both sexes, who had got to the stage of divorce and decided to kill their children and themselves |
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Save it for the jury TMP!
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Save it for the jury TMP!
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You may be right boggle, I guess we don't know anything really yet.
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was found crying drinking on a park bench---i dont think murder was planned--but something went wrong
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