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Ys, Huntley was indeed a 'majority' 11-1 verdict, despite offering the most ludicrous 'defence' of all time. He was effctively presented as Soham's 'Unlucky Alf'.
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28 Oct 11 15:30 Joined: 18 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 78,346 | Blogger: STEPTOES YARD's blog huntley got minimum of 40 wasnt that 2 murders though? |
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it was, this crime just as bad though
as already said as well the fact he tried to frame the landlord and would have been happy for him to rot hope he ends up like that prisoner did few weeks back |
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That same crime in an American state with no death penalty, he would have got 100 years.
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yep life without the possibility of parole in many us states for murder
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20 years just seems very short for a sexually motivated murder
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you'd hope the judge would have given him life for manslaughter anyway, given what he knew
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he gets a minimum 20 years life sentence, so he'll be 53 before he's even considered
to be released. Deserved a full automatic life sentence. Tried to cover his tracks, gave police misleading information and tried to frame the landlord, "throttled her after watching porn and she died in pain and fear". That poor girl and this disgusting person. Don't think the jury had the full details of him watching violent porn before. |
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I guess the Lib Dems hope he will be rehabilitated in prison
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20 years just seems very short for a sexually motivated murder
That will be a factor if he comes up for probation after 20 years. Bearing in mind there was no provocation, no mitigating factors it's unlikely he'll ever be released. |
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He will be released. We will attempt to deport him, but that will fail because of the right to a family life. Then he will claim he needs a new identity to live in the UK. Plus 24 hour police protection.
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STEPTOES YARD Joined: 18 Sep 06
Replies: 78350 28 Oct 11 15:39 it was, this crime just as bad though Seriously? This was as bad as murdering two 8yr olds? |
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yep
will be released one day |
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she was a young woman, so yes do think the crimes are both horrible and vile and wouldnt put one worse than other
she was just as defenceless |
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Any news on the Pizza??
Did Weirdo Mcweird the Landlord have it?? |
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I was on a jury many years ago and the whole process was quite disturbing.
I won't give details of the trial but it was quite a serious case. During breaks many of the other jurors moaned at court officials about how long they were being kept and how much they could claim in expenses. Once the case had been presented which took quite a few days we were asked to adjourn and went to a room with the only instruction that we must let the usher know when we had a unanimous verdict. The hours that followed were quite incredible. It started with electing a foreman. Most didn't want to do it because they claimed they didn't want to get too involved. Others said they didn't feel comfortable leading/organising the discussion. Some were clearly too thick to understand why they were even there. I threw my hat into the ring and offered to be foreman and despite being the youngest person in the room by quite a margin they all immediately accepted this and from then essentially deferred to anything I said. I thought the case was pretty clear cut however to this day I am convinced I could have got the rest of the group to give a different decision if I had been minded to do so. There were a mixture of some who didn't understand the whole case and others who wanted to go home as soon as possible. If I were a defendent my biggest concern would be the quality of the jury. It is a sad fact that a random group of 12 people in the UK these days is going to have a high proportion of complete inadequates. |
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TELL DEL
28 Oct 11 15:45 Joined: 15 Jan 04 | Topic/replies: 1,914 | Blogger: TELL DEL's blog he gets a minimum 20 years life sentence, so he'll be 53 before he's even considered to be released. Deserved a full automatic life sentence. Tried to cover his tracks, gave police misleading information and tried to frame the landlord, "throttled her after watching porn and she died in pain and fear". That poor girl and this disgusting person. Don't think the jury had the full details of him watching violent porn before. There not allowed to know anything no one knew apart from the press and police and the press arnt allowed to show it until after |
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With the violent porn information out there in the public domain. How would an appeal work?
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Look at the idiots on sky news now behind the camera trying to get on tv especially the black man and one with hoodie both laughing, idiots should join them in prison. some right fools around
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I checked - they were 10. How is a grown woman as defenceless as TWO 10yos? That's two btw.
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Its not great being murdered for sexual reasons, whether you are 10 or in your 20s or 30s.
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Banks... I did jury service on one occasion, the accused was a postman who had been nicking Credit cards ..
When we was asked to adjourn it was more or less the same as what you have just described except after about an hour of discussing the case one amazingly thick lady juror commented that the accused was a decent bloke and never nicked anything we he was her postman. The case was thrown out a re trial was set. I heard he got off, when in fact he was soooo guilty. I swore from then on to never do it again, The general public are just too thick. |
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because he was twice her size and a foot taller and clearly she had no chance by the tragic outcome
anyway im not getting in an argument with you |
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How much taller than his victims was Huntley?
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Here's a pending execution in Texas,with similarities apart from the aggravating factor of kidnapping.
. http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/death_row/dr_info/hernandezrodrigo.html |
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Banks. One of the better posts. I've heard whoever first volunteers to be foreman virtually never gets challenged. I have a Barrister friend working in, shall we say, a less well off area of the country. Some of the horror stories I've heard would be beyond belief, except we know this day and age they aren't...
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cheers helissio
saved me the bother of replying |
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Well the judge, presumably better qualified than any of us, doesn't think they were just as bad, does he?
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The same judge was at both trials?
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No. They sent an idiot to do this one who only thought Tabak was worthy of 20yr min.
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clearly a very disturbed individual. Police will probably re-open some unexplained cases, mostly prossies I would assume. It would be strange if his first one was his neighbour
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If he was an experienced serial killer, he probably wouldnt pick on someone who lived so close to him.
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good point. probably a moment of lustful madness. I sure feel like killing people over christmans as well
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Huntley was 20 years x 2. For clarity. Anyway, no point dragging me into it, going home in 10 mins.
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Helissio Joined: 06 Jan 02
Replies: 1442 28 Oct 11 16:14 If he was an experienced serial killer, he probably wouldnt pick on someone who lived so close to him. Any proof he was a serial killer? Well known fact that 80% of victims know their assailant ( serious crime) and 90% of assailants either live or work within 500 yards of the crime-scene. |
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implication is though if he had held his hands up straight away he'd have got 13 or 14 years - a third off for a guilty plea - which would be absurd given the aggravating features of the murder.
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Intent to kill or 'do serious harm' unproven here. Manslaughter it is.
were you being serious?? How on earth could it ever be proven if you have to prove what was going through the killers mind at the time? If you take a deliberate action that is clearly going to result in death then that is murder .Wether or not the killer stopped to think about it beforehand is neither here nor there. Manslaughter is surely when someone is responsible for the death but the action/or inaction could not be forseen as being fatal . The 'unsound mind' defence is very dubious when that comes up IMO but that was not the case here anyway. Yes the Huntley is innocent juror was quite unbelievable. Judges sometimes don't explain reasonable doubt so well and some people get the idea that it means scientific proof. I've done Jury Service a couple of times and people are happy to drag it out for another day off work tbh |
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yep with that defence every single person to have murdered someone with intent to could claim after that "oh I didnt mean it"
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