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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
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Is it really a good idea to have a spokesman saying they "enjoyed" Christmas, "had a good time" - "totally normal, nothing strange"?
Their next-door neighbour was missing presumed to have come to harm, and then her body was found on Christmas morning. Totally unconnected people all over the country were upset about it. |
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There's upset and upset though, forumites wetting themselves is not akin to real misery, although I take your point.
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A_T Joined: Jan 11 22:04
You can't charge a man with murder without solid evidence of some kind. AFAIK, they can, but the DPP can throw it out before it gets to court. |
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a small but steady %age of murder convictions have been gained with circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial is plenty good enough to be sure. don't blend the meanings of the words circumstantial and insubstantial.
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allow me to add another detail, as yet unmentioned here(i have it off the local news here) - they're convinced of his innocence back in Holland and a "fighting fund"! has been set up by staff and students at the University of Eindhoven.
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I want the cops to have their man, but I'm having a really hard time seeing how VT is going to turn out to have the kind of highly abnormal psychology required to be 'the one'.
Just looks like a really boring bloke, but been wrong about people 'nuff times before to easy be so again. |
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VT could become the Dutch Amanda Knox, except he's a bloke of course.
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his family say he hasn`t split with his girlfriend and she didn`t call the police. she`s standing by him. if he confessed, would we know by now?
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The police wont charge him without permission from the CPS. They have to prove to the CPS that there will likely be a conviction.
As for pumphol. I have sat on a jury with someone with that attitude. Even though the evidence was overwhelming he would not be swayed because instead of concentrating just on the facts all he was saying was "what if"...blah blah blah.One of the most frustrating few weeks of my life dealing with that guy. Because of him a potential killer had the charges reduced and is probably back on the streets now.You have to use common sense and judgement as well as the evidence. |
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Bail hearing at 10am today
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Juries do scare me at times.
Was on one where 2 girls were charged with mugging an elderly lady. It was clear from the evidence that one of the girls was the leader and primary mover of the act, i.e. the one who actually grabbed the lady's bag, and the other girl, whilst obviously involved as she ended up being caught with the bag, was tagging along. However, it was much easier to convict the weaker girl and she would have been found guilty before we even discussed the case if I hadn't insisted we at least go through the facts as presented. Other girl nearly got off because a couple of the jurors initially thought that because she wasn't caught with the bag in her hands it wasn't enough to convict. A couple of days later we got out of there with judge accepting a 10:2. If you just look at this thread some people are quite capable of reading a press report, that might be right or wrong anyway, and jumping to a totally different conclusion than most other people would in any normal set of circumstances, convinced it says one thing when it doesn't. |
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Just heard on Sky no bail application.... couldn't really blame VT for that as he is probably safer inside atm.
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wur Joined: 25 Aug 03
Replies: 3050 24 Jan 11 21:33 Might only have the girlfriend's word that he borrowed her car on the Friday or Saturday. Although no confirmation that he borrowed a car or hired a van. If he didn't, they'd need DNA evidence. No DNA, no evidence of hiring a van, no conviction, imo. They have DNA - found on Joannes body.So one would assume they now have a match ? |
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good value losers 24 Jan 11 23:45
a serious q, pumphol. i've no idea what the bloke/woman in your case was up for, but would you have been happy to let him off if, say, he lived next door to you? i've often thought what effect it would have on rates of convicted ppl being let out by parole boards if they then were to be housed next door to the ppl on the boards. Sorry I missed this post last night. The fact that you would have to declare that the accused lived next door to you or that you vaguely know the defendant is enough to get you taken of the Jury so that situation cannot arise. |
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"They have DNA - found on Joannes body.So one would assume they now have a match ?"
If it's only very small traces of DNA, this could be enough to rule out any suspect, but not enough for a conviction. It's just a bit ominous why they didn't charge him straight away, first of all they asked for extra time to hold him.....then suddenly charged him next day (?) |
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I thought they were considering applying for more time again, but CPS was convinced that there was enough of a case to charge.
Crimewatch not covering the case this week now, according to one journo's twitter. |
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if they did have a dna match they would want to give him time to explain it
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Errm I am struggling to follow my fellow jury's case.
Say I borrow my girlfriend's car and drive it to someone I have cheated on with her. I cop off with her and then drive back home only to find my "beau" has then been found dead, but in the time I had been "nipping out to get a Pot Noodle", it could have happened. I don't think it comes any more circumstantial than that. Jury trials are becoming very scary due to the lack of intelligence amongst mankind. |
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Clouseau,
sounds similar to one of the juries I was on with two brothers involved in a major brawl at and around a pub. Some of the girls felt a bit sorry for one and that he wasn't "as guilty" as the other one. Both brothers had dressed respectably and were all meek and mild. Ended up not being able to reach a verdict. It was embarrassing to go back to court and see the frustration and head-in-hands responses from just about everyone involved. Turned out they had a string of similar convictions. As we left the court some boy racers turned up, the brothers jumped in, cars roared off with them laughing and swearing and making V signs. |
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The one i was on where one guy wasn`t 100% convinced.
Man stalks women for months, sets up camp in woods behind her house, attacks her one day as she approaches her vehicle, smashes her skull 5 times with a ball pein hammer(horrific pics), only stops because a neighbour hears her screams and he legs it, would have ultimately killed her if not stopped.A**hole juror thinks he only wanted to talk to her so not 100% convinced. Unfortunately one juror that was convinced had to retire with heart problems we only had 11. Guy gets done for ABH instead of attempted murder, very very frustrating.The problem was it became an "us and him situation", he didn't care about the case in the end. And we had made him foreman, it just went to his head.Still angers me now. |
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After next week, looks like it will be a few months until this case comes to court.
"Tabak will appear at Bristol Crown Court for a preliminary hearing next Monday. A plea and case management hearing has been set, provisionally, for April 29." |
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so what is the best way to keep this thread going?
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Aceme,
That scenario seems to be quite common ... anyone who has seen the film "12 Angry Men" wants to be the Henry Fonda character. |
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I agree that it seems to be a common theme.
And those who are desperate to be foreman are the least suitable. |
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I don't think that chit-chatters will have any problem at all in keeping this thread going. You been at it since Christmas! Several suspects have been 'dealt with', usually in a terminal manner. It is quite amazing how the imaginative can weave the most complex scenario from a couple of misquotes and an unrelated 'fact' or two. Hopefully, we won't run out of eligible males too soon or we'll be compelled to cherchez la femme! That would open up a whole new hornet's nest of possible suspects!
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Lois Spence
Graham Norton canaryboy to name but a few |
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If the evidence was only flimsy and of little consequence any good lawyer worth his salt would have applied for bail so it suggests to me that they must have sound reasons for charging him.
I reckon the guy will plea-bargain diminished responsibility and hope to get off with manslaughter. |
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naydam wrote.... hornet's nest of possible suspects!
Had we been party to all the evidence in this case, naydam, we would have made a bee-line for the Dutch guy straight away. Little did we know there was a sting in the tail. By your hornet's nest comment it seems that the Dutch guy was the victim of a honey trap. |
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after watching "12 angry men" again some time ago, i remember thinking afterwards that they let a killer go free.the kid owned a knife exactly the same as the one used in the murder.a witness may not have been wearing glasses in bed but her sight could have been fine for distance anyway. another witness may not have got to his door in time to see the killer because he had a dodgy leg. the kids alibi was a trip to the movies but he couldn`t remember the name of the movie. henry fonda has a lot to answer for.
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Perhaps he is quite happy to be in a cell. He gets free meals and a warm bed. Better than going back to an empty fridge and a flat full of muddy footprints!
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been so impressed with this thread
can you tell me who killed JFK? |
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JFK was killed by ruskies
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Farleys ?
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it was a lone ruskman
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Where's that head-in-hands man
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was last spotted at Sleepy Hollow
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This thread's gotten silly. It started out all right, but now it's just silly. You'll be doing Monty Python sketches next.
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welease, wuw
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