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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
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Nah, him and his odd looks are out of the frame.
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Oh i see. Have not been following everything.
When i saw the landlord being held i thought he was a very unlikely killer for a number of reasons. Would have imagined the police would have thought the same. Yet they spent days interviewing him when a more likely suspect ( in terms of age and other things ) was not even questioned. |
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courts don't half waste a lot of time and "innocent" offenders the worst.
Just walk 'em through: in the front, out the back into a van, off to prison. No one is innocent(as someone once said) "Not guilty m'lud" "...and I impose an extra 5 years for time-wasting" |
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i mean is he still officially a suspect, havtn heard anythign from the police saying he is not a suspect anymore so officially he must still be on bail and a suspect
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I would imagine the police always thought the most likely killer was someone who knew Jo and that the crime was motivated by an attraction.
Both the landlord and the man now charged fitted the bill that they knew the Jo. Both also could have had an attraction towards her but if one of them was going to act upon this attraction you would have thought the younger man would be most likely. If the landlord did have an attraction towards Jo ( and there is is nothing to say he did ) you would think he had enough intelligence and self awareness to think coming onto her was never going to get him anywhere. The same could probably not be said about the man now charged. Of course the man charged is innocent until proven guilty but i think the way the police have publically brought the landlord into the media as a susect has been very bad. |
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Wonder what the alibi of VT was to make the police rule him out early on? And how thoroughly did they check this alibi?
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she,d only lived there a few weeks, both her and suspect work full time, house enterances on opposite sides of house not inside,mum and dad never met or heard him mentioned,wheres the evidence that these 2 have ever met,spoken or acknowledged each other
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Jo and Greg had been in their flat since the end of October. I think her Father in the press today says he saw the arrested neighbour once, but hadn't spoken to him, on his 3 visits to the flat.
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Plea and case management hearing scheduled for 29th April.
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David (Yeates) added: “We spoke to Greg very briefly on the phone on Saturday night after we heard about the charge.
“I think he is still shell-shocked. I think he still cannot believe Jo is dead. “This news is another thing he has had to get used to, the idea that his neighbour might be Jo’s killer. “As far as I know they did not know him and they never socialised. “I do not think Jo and Tabak ever came into contact professionally. I’ve seen him just the once, I’ve never spoken to him. I didn’t know his name, I didn’t know what he did. Jo and Greg never mentioned him. |
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"........ i think the way the police have publically brought the landlord into the media as a susect has been very bad."
I think with that guy he put himself under suspicion when he made those vague comments. And then he gets arrested ! But they still haven't cleared him have they. Still remains a suspect. What I don't understand about VT, IF the police had solid evidence against him, why didn't they charge him straight away, bit unusual they still asked for extra time ....and then suddenly charged him. |
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^ also on local news tonight. The Crimewatch reconstruction film will still go ahead,
but they are now doing a "scaled down edition without so much detail" |
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Won't the pizza be off by 31st January?
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On C4 news, Tabak family say VT and his GF arrived in Holland on 28th Dec, leaving on 2nd Jan. He went back to work on 5th Jan.
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Interesting. So much for his leaving on Dec 19. Now had ample time to dump the body (allegedly).
Maybe he told police he'd left on Dec 19, but then this 'sobbing woman' told police the truth? |
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Have the police released or leaked any information concerning what evidence they have against Tabak?
And have they said who the weeping woman who phoned them is? I get the impression that it was this phone call which directed them towards VT. And a TV report that I saw said that "the police are still searching for evidence which might help them build a case against VT", the implication being that they haven't yet got any! Or certainly haven't got much anyway. |
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Might only have the girlfriend's word that he borrowed her car on the Friday or Saturday. Although no confirmation that he borrowed a car or hired a van. If he didn't, they'd need DNA evidence.
No DNA, no evidence of hiring a van, no conviction, imo. |
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What makes you think his girlfriend has said that he borrowed her car? Have you read this somewhere?
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You can't charge a man with murder without solid evidence of some kind.
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The dutch guy's girlfriend is the real killer.
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I hope that's not the case here A-T but yes, you can.
You can build a case based entirely on circumstantial evidence and simply leave it to the jury to decide. |
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If he borrowed her car, that could account for the tearful phone call. No information that he did so, though
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The girlfriend says the tearful phone call wasn't from her.
That's why I asked if there's been any report in the media in the UK as to who it was. |
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I didn't know that. Very interseting.
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maybe he confessed to his mum when he went home and she phoned the fuzzy muff
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man of many moods 24 Jan 11 22:08
I hope that's not the case here A-T but yes, you can. You can build a case based entirely on circumstantial evidence and simply leave it to the jury to decide. I was on a jury & the prosecutions case was purely circumstantial, me & another juror found them not guilty, as there was only 11 jurors by the end of the trial, it was declared a no trial, my point being the other nine thought that circumstantial evidence was enough to convict, even though the judge as he usually would press home that you only come to a guilty verdict if you think beyond reasonable doubt, in other words your 100% sure they are guilty. It is my opinion with circumstantial evidence yes you can be 99% sure they are guilty, to me that is not enough to persuade me to pass a guilty verdict, though I think my views on this are in a minority. |
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Police asked for the plans of the building last week. Something obviously prompted them to look, and when they did look they saw a door that connects the 2 bedrooms. Did he use that as a way in?
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I thought that was all bricked up ?
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yeah I know thats what they said, so why the call for blueprints?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349615/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Vincent-Tabak-charged-murder-court-Monday.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
And there you have it, police have cctv footage of car that dumped body, and the owner of the car was the landlord. So VT used the landlords car. end of |
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so they had cctv of a car crossing the bridge. how did they know it had the body? and they ruled out the owner of the car immediately too? sounds v odd to me.
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where does it say the owner was the landlord?
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pumphol. Joined: 29 Jul 04
I was on a jury & the prosecutions case was purely circumstantial, me & another juror found them not guilty, as there was only 11 jurors by the end of the trial, it was declared a no trial, my point being the other nine thought that circumstantial evidence was enough to convict, even though the judge as he usually would press home that you only come to a guilty verdict if you think beyond reasonable doubt, in other words your 100% sure they are guilty. It is my opinion with circumstantial evidence yes you can be 99% sure they are guilty, to me that is not enough to persuade me to pass a guilty verdict, though I think my views on this are in a minority. so you let some crim get away with it, no doubt to offeend again, just because you wanted to be a smartarse and stroke your ego?  |
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I am suprised it took some smart arse an hour to come up with a reposte like that
 Actually I took what the judge said in his summing up very seriously the others jurors did not, nothing to do with ego, saying that I would hate to be on trial with you as a juror  Guilt by association & a dodgy boat  |
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well we all know how in touch with things judges are
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btw it's riposte hth
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Mr Tabak enjoyed Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with Tanja Morson at her parents’ home in Cambridge before travelling with her to Holland to spend New Year with his family.
“It was a totally normal situation,” said Paul Vermeij, a spokesman for Mr Tabak’s family. “They just had a good time together as a family – totally normal, nothing strange.” Speaking in Holland, Mr Vermeij said Mr Tabak had spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with Miss Morson at the home of her parents in Cambridge. He had then travelled with his girlfriend to Holland, spending Dec 28 to Jan 2 with his family, some of it at a recreation park. His comments came after the first appearance in court by Mr Tabak, 32, who is accused of the murder of Miss Yeates, 25. |
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a serious q, pumphol. i've no idea what the bloke/woman in your case was up for, but would you have been happy to let him off if, say, he lived next door to you? i've often thought what effect it would have on rates of convicted ppl being let out by parole boards if they then were to be housed next door to the ppl on the boards.
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Desatron 24 Jan 11 23:11
Detectives interviewed the owner of the car earlier this month but eliminated him at that stage. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349615/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Vincent-Tabak-charged-murder-court-Monday.html#ixzz1C01OVtWXm Mail article.. Doesn't say anywhere in the report that LL was the owner. |