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By:
desperatemunter
When: 23 Jan 11 14:55
the suspect is someone who has built themselves a whole "professional" life , albeit in a BS discipline (people flow analysis) - and then he goes and does something that just blows all that previous hard-work and dedication out of the water?  This does'nt add up to me : every killer I've heard of has been a loser of some kind, either a full-on crazy-haired drug abuser with a history of being unable to form meaningful relationships or businessman-failure who's life is falling apart while he struggles to maintain front of normalcy
Of course, it can still be that VT did it and that he just does'nt fall into the usual categories
By:
desperatemunter
When: 23 Jan 11 15:04
it's only people who are really really inadequate/never-had-meaningful-relationships who take the "she rejected me now i must kill her" path.
Unless suspect has some really unusual psychology (personality-disorder is the catch-all term for people who do the inexplicable stuff)
it's so hard to see how the offence came about - would require that he had "had his eye on her" for a while , i.e. a stalking scenario
By:
'Ace' Rothstein
When: 23 Jan 11 15:32
The police can (and will) blow as much hot air as they want about the case changing dynamics 3 weeks ago but the reality is they left the probable/possible murder scene untouched for weeks and even allowed Tabak in and out of his flat. All the time he could have been cleaning day after day to remove evidence.

If 'they knew' 3 weeks ago who they were looking at why would they do that ?
By:
mr winkle
When: 23 Jan 11 15:34
Come on then fackwits [smiley:crazy]

start the list

who said the boyfriend was guilty ?

who said the landlord was guilty ?

who said the parents were guilty ?

who said one of the above, then changed to another one of the above ?
By:
1st time poster
When: 23 Jan 11 15:40
i,m owning up for land lord,boyfriend before and after landlord,and also thought the father came across with wierd and strange statements,all in all not abad audition for the bristol police force, i,m also now implicating the charged mans girl friend
By:
Easter 1916
When: 23 Jan 11 15:44
IT WAS MR VAN WINKLE
By:
Clouseau
When: 23 Jan 11 15:46
The police can (and will) blow as much hot air as they want about the case changing dynamics 3 weeks ago but the reality is they left the probable/possible murder scene untouched for weeks and even allowed Tabak in and out of his flat. All the time he could have been cleaning day after day to remove evidence.

They might well have had access to Tabak's flat and photographed/inventorised everything.

They may have let him in and out and then snuck in themselves to see what he had been up to in there.

The pizza and the sock might well have been in there all along and they knew about it. They may have judged that someone else had access to the place and could have planted them there.

However, if Tabak went in and removed the sock/pizza box without telling anybody then they would have him bang to rights.

Whpo knows, they may have had a surveillance camera set up in there and been watching him as he came and went.
By:
'Ace' Rothstein
When: 23 Jan 11 15:49
Hope you're right Clouseau and that would be very very good policing.
Had they done that he would have been charged within hours of being arrested.
No need for extensions etc...
By:
deepwater
When: 23 Jan 11 15:59
i thought BF---as there seemed to be alot of time between contact with girlfriend and travelling

thought police put out very weak statement ruling him out,early on in investigation.
By:
Clouseau
When: 23 Jan 11 16:02
Lack of conclusive DNA evidence would mean that the fact the sock and pizza box were in Tabak's flat (if they indeed were) would be quite damning but not 100% as there might be several people with keys such as former tenants, landlord (not neccessarily same landlord as Jo's flat), girlfriend etc.

But police needed to nail someone with the items directly.

He might have gone in there a few times and not touched anything, just to see if he got challenged. When he thought he was OK he removed the items and dumped them somewhere without telling police (although police knew because he was being tracked).

They then have him and the items directly linked.
By:
TELL DEL
When: 23 Jan 11 16:03
Completely agree 'Ace', that part doesn't add up.  But also feel the police must have
some very strong evidence that we don't know about, but they still asked for extra time
to hold him - and could have held him until Monday - and then suddenly charged him last night.

Also if he is guilty, he managed to leave a very complex trial,
and bit surprised a bad slip he then drove over the Suspension Bridge, with so many CCTV cameras there,
because that is the No.2 suicide bridge in the whole world. (Golden Gate Bridge No.1)
It wouldn't have taken much longer to drive down into Hotwells and then come back up other side.
By:
mr winkle
When: 23 Jan 11 16:08
Easter 1916  23 Jan 11 15:44 
IT WAS MR VAN WINKLE


YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE COPPER
By:
1st time poster
When: 23 Jan 11 16:10
he hasnt cleaned up and left a complex trail if the mail is right,because the bridge cctv evidence is early on sat morning a few hours after the crime and was dumped in the open beside a busy road,its the polic e whove built up a complex trail, body stored moved later etc, and after weeks of speculation about pizza wudnt suprise me if it played no part in the trial
By:
A_T
When: 23 Jan 11 16:14
Noone escape the long arm of the law. Noone.
By:
TELL DEL
When: 23 Jan 11 16:14
Pizza - red herring.
Missing sock - probably more likely used to gag her than strangle her.

This will be just awful for her family if they have got the wrong person now,
and they have to go through this all again.
By:
Banks.
When: 23 Jan 11 16:27
Are you sure this fella isn't Mark Webster? I reckon he did pretty well to beat the Power at Ally Pally with this hanging over him.
By:
LMansini
When: 23 Jan 11 16:31
god i would love some pizza for dinner tonight
By:
Clouseau
When: 23 Jan 11 16:36
CCTV footage of "car" going over Clifton Bridge could be a taxi. Driver/owner supposedly interviewed early doors and elimikated as suspect.

Passenger might have been carrying a big suitcase.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 23 Jan 11 16:47
yeah just drop me off by this quarry mate, cheers
By:
squares
When: 23 Jan 11 17:14
Reports in NoTW that sock was used to "clean" the scene.
By:
squares
When: 23 Jan 11 17:21
and from the early press conference after the body was found, the police stated that they believed the body had been there for some time (as opposed to locals who were convinced the body had to have been dumped shortly before it was found).  Police also referred to the weekend Jo went missing when appealing for witnesses to strange cars/people in Longwood Lane.
By:
ClayDavis
When: 23 Jan 11 17:34
free the dutch one. It was the BF!!!!
By:
Rocket to the FACE
When: 23 Jan 11 17:41
By: brendanuk1
Date Joined: 12 Jan 02 Add contact | Send message When: 23 Jan 11 16:47 yeah just drop me off by this quarry mate, cheers



Remember there's a hotel directly opposite the lane where her body was found. Could have asked to be dropped off around there.

Maybe the sock was used to gag her after she screamed
By:
TELL DEL
When: 23 Jan 11 18:04
On the local BBC news tonight it said the Crimewatch reconstruction film is still due to be
shown on Wednesday evening.
By:
Rocket to the FACE
When: 23 Jan 11 18:14
Great, about two months after the murder.

Why not show it 2 weeks after ?
By:
Live Forever
When: 23 Jan 11 18:17
Are you seriously suggesting that this bloke may have got in a taxi with a massive suitcase containing a body and asked a taxi driver to drop him off, when he then proceeded to dump the body?

Yeah, I can imagine him doing a clean and jerk, veins bulging, to get the suitcase in the car/boot and the taxi driver thinking that it was completely normal.

"Going on holiday, mate?"
"Yeah"
"Where to? Europe? America?"
Just across the bridge, fancy a change of scenery for a couple of weeks"
"Give you a hand with your bag?"
"NO, FECK OFF"
By:
Clouseau
When: 23 Jan 11 18:22
Can't he get 2 taxies?

One to take him to the airport which is in that direction and then get one back from the airport when it won't look so strange getting dropped of in a fairly rural area with a hotel?

I believe that suitcases are available these days which have cunning movement facilitation devices fitted to them.... they are called wheels.
By:
Ekbalco
When: 23 Jan 11 18:30
Tabak - 'Dwelt,held up in rear,progress into mid div halfway,came wide,quickened to lead on line'.
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 23 Jan 11 18:31
the police in bristol are a LaughLaughLaughLaugh stock
By:
Clouseau
When: 23 Jan 11 18:41
Anyone know anything about car insurance?

If you lend your car to someone aren't you supposed to tell the insurance company? named driver etc?

If I was trying to move a dead body on the quiet and I didn't have a car I certainly wouldn't want to be making a fuss and giving out my name and address etc.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 23 Jan 11 18:55
The body being found far from the home, yet all the things you'd expect her to leave the house with being at home, was the main reason I think, that people believed her to have been killed at or near her home, and then moved, to widen the field of suspects by a killer not realising her possessions would be a tip off. Comes back to the question of whether the door was locked when b/d returned - has that been answered?
By:
Sunset Cristo
When: 23 Jan 11 19:01
the suspect is someone who has built themselves a whole "professional" life , albeit in a BS discipline (people flow analysis) - and then he goes and does something that just blows all that previous hard-work and dedication out of the water?  This does'nt add up to me : every killer I've heard of has been a loser of some kind, either a full-on crazy-haired drug abuser with a history of being unable to form meaningful relationships or businessman-failure who's life is falling apart while he struggles to maintain front of normalcy
Of course, it can still be that VT did it and that he just does'nt fall into the usual categories



This is usually true, but not always. Harold Shipman springs to mind. A well respected doctor.
By:
squares
When: 23 Jan 11 19:04
The parents were talking about being able to have the funeral soon, so quite an early release of the body?
By:
tobermory
When: 23 Jan 11 19:09
Very Dubious IMO if that Crimewatch thing is still going ahead with a suspect charged.

I recall they did this once before in a murder case , everyone watching knowing who had been charged , and they ended up with a woman coming forward who lived in the general area of the crime, saying she had seen the guy in the vicinty of the crime scene at a particular time. The Police took her seriously but it then became apparent that if she had been telling the truth the suspect would have an Alibi from what she said. The Police then said she must be lying (or their case would fall apart) and she was was called by the Defence.

Eventually i think she broke down in tears in the witness box and admitted she had made the whole thing up, because she 'knew' the bloke was the murderer from what she'd heard about him in the papers and wanted to make sure he was convicted . Of course she was unaware of the precise timings of the crime and so by placing him near the scene at a point where he could prove he was elsewhere almost got him off. He was guilty it turned out.

I think at best the response they will get will consist of a lot of people who vaguely knew Tabak coming forward with stuff he supposedly said to put him in a bad light.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 23 Jan 11 19:09
Amanda Knox too, SC. O.J. Simpson...

A motive has not been given, yet.
By:
horseman
When: 23 Jan 11 19:15
Only sure fire conclusion i can come to after reading through this monster of a thread is that the posters "1st time poster" and "Clouseau" would both have been arrested if they'd lived in the vicinity on the traditional police procedure of "arrest the local oddball/weirdo". Talk about an unhealthy interest
By:
Sunset Cristo
When: 23 Jan 11 19:16
Motive is probably rejection. Splits with his gf and then comes onto Joanne while bf is way and she knocks him back and he can't take it.Alarm bells starting ringing with me when friends said he was a nice quiet chap.
By:
wur
When: 23 Jan 11 19:28
So, does this guy own a car, or not? If not, he couldn't have done it.

If he drives, but doesn't own a motor, then he could hire a van. Presumably there would be a record of this, which would nail him.
By:
Clouseau
When: 23 Jan 11 19:30
By: This user is online. horseman
Date Joined: 26 Feb 03 Add contact | Send message When: 23 Jan 11 19:15 Only sure fire conclusion i can come to after reading through this monster of a thread is that the posters "1st time poster" and "Clouseau" would both have been arrested if they'd lived in the vicinity on the traditional police procedure of "arrest the local oddball/weirdo". Talk about an unhealthy interest


I think you'd be in the frame too horseman.... they often pick up the local halfwit with a mental capacity of an 5 year old.Laugh
By:
Nirvana
When: 23 Jan 11 19:35
No need to own a car; could have borrowed one. Maybe the recent phone call from the 'sobbing woman' was something to do with this?
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