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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
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reckon if VT was scraping away at the partition over months the LL would have noticed when doing his weekly uninvited inspections while tenants were out.
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LMansini 28 Jan 11 01:47
id take anything above 3/1 that the bf really did it but its 1000 / 1 that the stupid police will catch him    Unbelievable !! |
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Totally agree re: getting facts wrong CC.
I imagine BF called local friends on his return to see if she had gone round there. Rebecca, the friend she made her last call to when walking from Waitrose to Bargain Booze, was living in Swansea. |
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Indeed, the desire to be the first to break news invariably leads top inaccurate reporting. See the recent case of the wounded US politician, or the deaths of Michael Jackson or the previous Pope, both of which were confirmed in the media before they had been by medics.
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All this speculation about the bricked up internal doorway...
We saw the police meticulously removing the front door for forensic analysis, but no mention of the f*****g big hole in the wall that just appeared. No wonder the parents sensed something amiss when they visited shortly after.... just couldn't put their finger on it though! |
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It would be the most patient sexual assault in history!
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HNE could do hnis side of the wall gbut hnow thne hnell would hne gbet thnrougbhn thneir side withnout thne'm hnoticihng ?
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Clouseau. Taking the front door for analysis was simply to distract the media. Nobody noticed that the man behind was carrying a hole!!
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Rockets computer doing 'hn' for 'h' : your computer is shnit!!
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I thought it was a cipher!!
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[i]By: This user is offline. naydam
Date Joined: 31 Jul 04 Add contact | Send message When: 28 Jan 11 11:49 Clouseau. Taking the front door for analysis was simply to distract the media. Nobody noticed that the man behind was carrying a hole!![i] And after they arrested VT and got access to his flat they could bring the hole back in and see if it matched from his side.... I think this must have been the clincher that led to them bringing charges! |
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Why is the landlord still on bail ?
Last night police said Mr Jefferies, who was Jo's landlord, "remains on bail". A spokesman for the Avon and Somerset force said: "The situation has not changed." |
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In the Ipswich murders, the first guy who was arrested (Tom Stephens from Tesco?) was on police bail for nearly 6 months before bail conditions were cancelled.
Arrest of Suspects On 18 December 2006, Suffolk Constabulary reported that they had arrested a 37-year-old man on suspicion of murdering all five women.[1] The man was arrested at 07.20 at a house in Trimley St. Martin near Felixstowe, Suffolk.[37] The detention of the suspect was extended by magistrates by a further period of 24 hours, to the maximum of 96 hours allowed under English law.[38] On 19 December, at 05.00, police arrested a second suspect,[39] a 48-year-old, at a residence in Ipswich, on suspicion of committing murder.[39] The following day, 20 December, police were granted a 36-hour extension to question the second suspect in detention. On 21 December, a joint statement was issued by DCS Gull and Michael Crimp, senior prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service in Suffolk, announcing that the second suspect identified as Steve Wright had been charged with the murder of all five women.[40] Police said that the first suspect, who was not officially named,[1] was released on police bail.[40] Bail conditions were cancelled on 6 June 2007 for the first suspect, as no more inquiries concerning the case were planned involving this person.[41] |
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Not an expert but would presume LL is still on bail as that he therefore remains under caution.
Reports say he has consulted lawyers re seeking compo for his "false" arrest and ensuing publicity and they don't want him stirring things up in the meeja when the case is still apparently at a delicate stage. |
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Agree Clouseau, was going to add myself that while he is on bail he is effectively being kept quiet.
The press will be all over him like flies to sh!t once bail restrictions are lifted. Must admit imo, he didn't look like he wanted any dealings with the press when Sky reporter confronted him but that might be different now. |
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^ Now that VT has been charged it would make sense for police to cancel his bail,
so Jefferies wouldn't remain a suspect. But as you say he is effectively being kept quiet. But a leading criminologist has questioned why Joanna Yeates' landlord remains a suspect in her murder. Professor Wilson, who has researched many murderers, including serial killer Fred West, Soham murderer Ian Huntley, and Suffolk strangler Steven Wright, said: "I've not heard that the landlord Chris Jefferies has had his bail cancelled, which could be seen as significant." Not sure what he means "could be seen as significant", he hasn't had his bail cancelled so he is still a suspect. But surely if they wanted to, the police could stop him talking to the media and stirring things up. Because VT's court case won't start until at least 3 months time. So will he stay a suspect for next 3 months (?) . |
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naydam 28 Jan 11 01:26
David, do you sit hovering over all threads to play your silly little game? oh the irony of such a post on such a thread. |
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Yes, I pop back now and then. Fair comment. Usually to advise caution to the latest 'nailed on' suspect. But you were playing a silly little game unless your letter 't' was stuck!
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I doubt the trial will happen this year.
High Profile/Complex cases take an age to come to court. The Soham Murders were in August 2002, as was Ian Huntely's arrest .The Trial was around November/December 2003. Agree it is odd that the landlord is still on bail .If that is still the case when the trial begins Tabak could use 'the landlord did it' as his defence. And if Jeffries has not been cleared by then , his being on bail would support such a defence. My guess is they will drop the bail conditions when things have quitened down a little from the media.They know they fked up by arresting him but clearing him quickly and completely just makes them look more culpable when the time comes to consider his wrongful arrest claim. Giving the impression that they needed to look long and hard before ruling him out makes the arrest seem more justifiable in retrospect. |
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Just seems a bit odd, you would expect the police to act quickly to end any misunderstanding in relation to Jefferies.
Normal practice to release other suspects from bail following a charge. |
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was there a poster of rita hayworth on his wall [;)]
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Hang on..... he's an architect/engineer, people flow expert...
Don't know how long he'd been his flat but he could have had plenty of time to wire up some arrangement whereby he secreted a button in his kithen which when pressed swivelled the bookcase in his bedroom around revealing the bricked up internal doorway which slid to one side and raised the false wall panel he'd put in on Jo's side..... in and out of there and no-one would be any wiser. Only revealed after 3 days of extensive searching when the junior plod got told to go and put a brew on and pressed the wrong button. |
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VT down to 47 friends
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correct me if im wrong but this dutch dude whose been arrested,had he made some kind of Glory Hole through his wall into the birds flat and that's the evidence they arrested him on?
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He was found with a hole in his pocket! Damning evidence.
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johnizere Joined: 17 Mar 04
Replies: 7637 27 Jan 11 22:36 naydam... I would imagine the front door would have a 'yale' type lock on it, therefore it would probably have been locked. I know that doesn't really answer the question though. I still have misgivings about why the BF was eliminated from enquiries almost immediately though..and I still have him in the frame, albeit as an outsider now, somehow involved in all this. And misgivings about the whole enquiry as well, they way police witheld so much info.. eg the sock, and other things. er..its what they do. Its deliberate - you can more readily 'catch out' your suspect this way. |
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^^ Yeah but you don't withold it for weeks then ask the public for help finding it.
What undermined this investigation from the start was the police's utter conviction they had the landlord bang to rights. Then when the forensic cleared him, the police were back to square one but had allowed time for witnesses to forget, evidence to disappear and the real killer to cover his tracks. I'm not sure about Dutch architect guy. The police seem a bit more circumspect in what they leak to the press. This may be a reaction to the landlord debacle but it might mean the case is a bit weak, with no smoking gun. |
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once somebody has been charged, hardly anything will be heard from the police.
It was CPS who advised A&S police that they had enough to charge and did not need a further extension for questioning. |
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They may have enpough to charge him...but do they have enough for a conviction?
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IU sincerely hope that the police are still investigating this case properly. It would be all too easy to concentrate on their prime(?) suspect only.
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VT down to 47 friends
What did he start with 55? Have these people never heard of innocent until proven guilty. |
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68ish, i think
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those left are probably hoping the press will be in touch with them to sell their "stories" at some time in the future.
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68, and I'm proud to say my friend is one of the 47 brave, fair-minded and loyal enough to stand by the murderer.
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alleged.
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Sparky. That's a bit extreme for somebody who is usually demanding to know the source of any information!
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Slip of the tongue. Accused.
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Hmmm. I wonder why I doubt that. I wouldn't have had you down for a slippery tonguist!
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Well... I shall present a couple of ladies for the defence.
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The prosecution has asked for a whatsit while they think about it.
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