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BARROWBOY
Date Joined: 11 May 03 Add contact | Send message When: 07 Jan 11 20:10 has anyone mentioned the possibility that the cause of death -strangulation , may have been the result of a sex game that went wrong Police confirm that black plastic bin liners, oranges and a ball of string were all found on the premises which raises the question... Was this a bizarre sex game that went wrong?????? ffs |
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its time to think the unthinkable
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clouseau , most theories on here seem to feel that she was attacked in the flat or abducted against her will. but if the landlords original statement about seeing her leave with 2 others is true & the more time passes & he is vindicated then the more likely that is , the possibility of her leaving of her free will has to be raised.
oh,& if your gonna take part in adult conversation then ffs grow up ,people get up to all sorts of things that you may not understand |
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Has anyone checked whether there were any one-sock parties on that night, BYOP?
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BARROWBOY
Date Joined: 11 May 03 Add contact | Send message When: 07 Jan 11 20:51 clouseau , most theories on here seem to feel that she was attacked in the flat or abducted against her will. but if the landlords original statement about seeing her leave with 2 others is true & the more time passes & he is vindicated then the more likely that is , the possibility of her leaving of her free will has to be raised. oh,& if your gonna take part in adult conversation then ffs grow up ,people get up to all sorts of things that you may not understand I have never been involved in any sexual activity that involved strangulation. Maybe you have. If so could you enlighten us as to what people get up to as it might be pertinent to the investigation. tyia |
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The landlord didn't say he saw her leave with two others. He said he saw three people, but could not say if Jo was one of them.
On the subject of sex games - isn't it just men who get orgasms through near strangulation? Not my area of interest, but all the accidental deaths I've read about involved men. |
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If you'd just killed someone and were together enough to take the pizza and sock away from the scene, you'd probably dump them hundreds of miles away, or burn them, not put them in a local bin, so no surprise they haven't been found.
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I doubt I'd burn the sock - wouldn't put it in the oven in the first place.
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i'm afraid you'll have to do your own research inspector c , an old girlfriend did a paper on it when she was studying for her degree so i know its not that uncommon, as wur says its more of a male thing but female erotic asphyxia is not unknown.
lets face it this is such a baffling case that the answer might be found by thinking outside the box, the police certainly don't seem to have made much headway with the obvious lines of enquiry. as for jefferies statement,apologies if i got it wrong, i thought he originally told police he thought he saw her leaving, then retracted when they made him their chief suspect |
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She got home, took hiking / sturdy boots off (presumably why she had ski socks on), left her socks on. Started cooking pizza, didn't like it. Wanted to throw pizza away in wheelie bin outside as it would make flat smell inside. So without the hassle of putting boots back on, but not wanting to get wet socks, she took one sock off and hopped outside on one bare foot with the pizza box, leaving coat and keys and mobile and purse in the flat.
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or perhaps she didn't have any oven gloves so used a sock to take pizza out of the oven, then threw them all in the bin, as in the example above.
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anyone watch C.I real crime on living channel
excellent equipment they have on murder scenes |
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Just can't have the sock as the murder weapon!
How on earth does that come about? You decide to murder a fully clothed person, but have no weapon, ''i know i'll ask her to give me a sock i can use as a ligature'' ????? As a couple of posters above said, the best explanation for it being missing is that it - and any shoes she might have been wearing - came off as her body was being dragged to where it was dumped .The Killer, not wanting to spend another minute crouched beside a dead body in a public place, simply picks it (and any shoes) up as he makes his way back to the car, and disposes of it elsewhere. |
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I was speaking to the detective in charge last week and he wouldnt stop going on about his theory. I got sick of it and told him to 'put a sock in it'. ffs
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1000/1 chance of a sock that long coming off by being dragged,think the more feasable answer is she got home removed boots and one sock then was murdered, the BF is still my fancy
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agree with your post entirely sandysboy, I'm topping up on the bf at fancy prices with a saver on the neighbour at not so fancy prices!
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I don't see how the length of sock is an issue, if it's snagged it's snagged.
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When you take off your socks its sometimes a struggle,dont think even if they snagged that they would come off
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exactly Spark, could have been 3ft long and still come off
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She...may have been a tad differently shaped from you!
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I never thought I would say this but there are a few decent bits in this Daily Mail article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345194/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Did-Jo-buy-dinner-killer.html |
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This is my take on things for what its worth.BF goes to pick her up and says hes not going to Sheffield,that would explain her buying the Pizza [for two],and the two bottles of cider and also why she was looking happy in Bargain Booze.When they get home she starts to take her boots and socks off and he strangles her half way through,dumps her body same night then on to Sheffield [alledgedly]
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Woooah hold on that article says two HALF-LITRE bottles of cider. 500ml.
Along the way, we know she stopped at a Waitrose supermarket, but left empty-handed; bought two half-litre bottles of cider at a Bargain Booze off-licence (whose security camera captured her smiling broadly, despite the bitter cold); and dropped into Tesco Express to pick up a large gourmet mozzarella and basil pizza. |
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I was under the immpression they were 300ml bottles although the size doesnt matter
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It has always been reported as 330ml.
UNtil just now anyway. |
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Crisp77
Written like a badly scripted novel. WALOFS |
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Sorry yes 330ml,should know that used to sell it
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Nothing wrong with a badly scripted novel. OK enough summary for anyone wanting to join the killer(s) hunt.
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This is my favourite bit
the killer dragged her into his car. He apparently possessed local knowledge, for he headed towards the open country of north Somerset, his most likely route being over the nearby Clifton suspension bridge — [b]assuming he had change for the 50p toll.[/b] |
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Two 500ml bottles of cider is much more realistic especially as some of them can be 7-8%
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They have not explained officially why they are so sure he is in the clear, but sources say signals picked up from his mobile phone provide evidence he was well on his way to Sheffield when Joanna was at the Ram and could not have doubled back surreptitiously to the flat.
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That article also says its not known how she was strangled yet the police have said she was strangled with a ligature according to The Sun. Different papers giving different accounts.
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proves his phone was well on the way to Sheffield
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True, Facts, but that would need an accomplice . And as he has no apparent motive himself, it's hard to see what any accomplice would have to gain.
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HAS THE CHIT CHAT DEFECTIVE DETECTIVE AGENCY SOLVED IT YET ?
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has a nice ring to it that title the CCDDA . In future incidents the police spokesman could say on camera the CCDDA have been informed
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not sure whether this has already been said but serial killers often take trophies. A sock would be a reasonable one in that many people have foot fetishes and the sock would have a very personal smell.
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mr winkle
REPORTED AGAIN |
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OK....just came on, to post my thoughts, after a shocking restless night and I see that 00:59 got in first.
When the police have said there was no sexual motive they are assuming "normal" perceived ways of gratification! It is difficult, therefore for people with such normal behaviour to understand that there are others with extreme interests. We know they exist but just see them as weird but harmless. I mean, if you caught someone looking down your girls top, or up her skirt, you would probably sort them out. If they were looking at her feet you would either not even notice or just let it ride (unless that was your thing too)! So my thinking is that someone came round, as she arrived home, to ask if she was ok and if the BF got to Sheffield without problems. He then strangled her (pre meditated perhaps) and removed the sock, for his own perverse gratification. The body may well have been moved, initially to another location, as has already been suggested. Here he would further abuse her, before later moving it to the final place, when he felt safe to do so. I think the links to the previous unsolved case, in the 70's, are far too strong to ignore, and I would be having a saver bet on him being responsible here too! For "him" read that as whoever you want but I have my own suspect. |
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Colonel Mustard?
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