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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)

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By:
wur
When: 07 Jan 11 18:17
He might have slipped something into her drink to make her a little more 'amenable'. She realised what he'd done and said she was going to report him to the police. Extravagant theory, and very probably wrong. But possible.
By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jan 11 18:20
spot on wur so why doesnt boyfriend break his neck to tell police about jumpstart ,alibi,s him and implicates the other 2 possibly,but as far as we no the police didnt no about jumpstart till the neighbour came forward after LL,S arrest 8 days later,why didnt any of the 3 tell the police in the monday,its possible they did and the police didnt tell the media
By:
Ekbalco
When: 07 Jan 11 18:28
Plod MUST release more information or we'll never solve it for them.
By:
maveric
When: 07 Jan 11 18:33
sounds plausible WUR, but LL not a lady's man...
By:
Whippet
When: 07 Jan 11 18:34
not sure if this has been posted already:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8244606/Joanna-Yeates-murder-relatives-of-1974-victim-say-killer-could-be-same.html

Detectives are investigating the possibility that Miss Yeates’s killer could also have throttled Glenis Carruthers, 20, who was murdered in 1974 after leaving a party just 350 yards from where Miss Yeates lived.
A cold case review team set up last year to reinvestigate Miss Carruthers’ murder is liaising closely with officers in the Joanna Yeates inquiry after identifying a series of striking similarities between the two killings.
Both women had been strangled, were found fully-clothed and had not been sexually assaulted. Both women also appeared to have died quickly without being able to put up a struggle, and in both cases the victims were found without shoes on.
In each case the crime appeared to be motiveless, the victims were a similar age and were attacked at a similar time of night.
Last night Helena Carruthers, the stepmother of Glenis Carruthers, said: “It could well be that the same person who killed Glenis murdered this other young girl as well but it’s impossible to know.

“Glenis was killed more than 30 years ago but the two cases do seem very similar.”
Miss Carruthers’ sister Deidre Newley, 69, said: “We’re aware that the police are looking into the two cases together but it’s just too early to say anything yet. We can only wait and see what they find.
“It’s impossible for us to speculate on whether the two cases are linked but clearly there are some similarities.”
Miss Carruthers, who was studying to be a teacher, was found dead just outside Bristol zoo on Jan 19, 1974, after a zookeeper disturbed her killer, who was described as 5ft 10 ins tall, aged in his 20s and with “a great deal of hair” down to his collar.
She had been a guest at the 21st birthday party of her friend Sandra Hardyman, and had been due to spend the night at her home when she left the party unnoticed, possibly to make a call from a nearby phone box.
In a bizarre twist of fate, Geoffrey Hardyman, who is Sandra Hardyman’s first cousin once removed, now lives above Joanna Yeates’s flat, which is around 350 yards from where the party was taking place.
He has been a vocal supporter of his friend and former colleague Christopher Jefferies, Miss Yeates’s landlord, who also lives in the same building and is currently the only person to be arrested on suspicion of murdering the architect.
Earlier this week Mr Hardyman, 78, a retired classics master at Clifton College, suggested that Mr Jefferies had been “pounced on” by the police because they were under pressure to make an arrest in the “high profile” case.
More than 16,000 people were interviewed by police as part of the Glenis Carruthers investigation. Avon and Somerset Police said Mr Jefferies, who had just started his job as an English master at Clifton College at the time, was not among them.
Mr Jefferies, who is currently on police bail, has told friends he expects to be cleared of any involvement in Miss Yeates’s death within days, and has taken legal advice on suing the police for wrongful arrest.





There's your killer imo.
By:
cjhornet
When: 07 Jan 11 18:38
except that he'd have been 41 that year and the murderer was witnessed and was described as in his 20s.
By:
Golfboy
When: 07 Jan 11 18:51
So if the police are now looking into the Glenis Carruthers murder back in 1974, then it doesn’t make sense that plod would have a press conference to reassure the public that there was no increased risk to women in the area, ie. this is not a serial killer.
By:
wur
When: 07 Jan 11 18:51
Was thinking more of the other neighbour, Peter Stanley. Here's a pic of him

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8234570/Joanna-Yeates-murder-neighbour-interviewed-by-police-over-boyfriends-flat-battery-incident.html
By:
Ekbalco
When: 07 Jan 11 19:01
Current market please :

?? - Bf
?? - LL
?? - The Neighbour
?? - Other
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Jan 11 19:02
Just googling Geoffry, seems he was the guy Jefferies told about people leaving Joannas flat

Another resident of 44 Canynge Road, Geoffrey Hardyman, 78, who lives the top floor flat, said: ”He saw people coming out after dark as he was parking his car.

”I don’t think he [Jeffries] was really paying any attention but just assumed they were from flat 1 – Joanna’s flat. ”He didn’t know if they were male or female. It was after about 9pm and he thought they must have been her with friends, or just friends of hers.”
By:
maveric
When: 07 Jan 11 19:03
The killer was described as 25-30 in the GC case, not '20s', I have just listened to the original interview with the zoo worker.  There was one clue — the shank of a pair of spectacles which might have belonged to Glenis's assailant was found near the scene of the crime.  If he was 30 then, he would be 66 now.
By:
Ekbalco
When: 07 Jan 11 19:07
The most fascinating of puzzles.
By:
cjhornet
When: 07 Jan 11 19:07
I was just quoting the Telegraph article!
By:
maveric
When: 07 Jan 11 19:10
wasnt getting at you CJH, the Avon&Somerset police web site says 20-25, but in the actual video of the witness he says 25-30..
By:
maveric
When: 07 Jan 11 19:11
Where's Morse when you need him.
By:
Ekbalco
When: 07 Jan 11 19:14
This one would test even Hong Kong Phooey to the limits.
By:
wur
When: 07 Jan 11 19:15
I've been googling "peter stanley" clifton -yeates

You've got to remove 'yeates' from the search, otherwise it's pages of the case.

Apparently, he's the assistant coach of Clifton college rifle club and likes messing about in home made hovercrafts. Seems to like a bit of excitement, does Peter. Jo was a sporty type and had recently taken up rowing.
By:
Golfboy
When: 07 Jan 11 19:15
C4 News. Police say Joe's murderer was know to her, ie. not a random stranger
By:
newcastle1969
When: 07 Jan 11 19:17
odds on random stranger shorten
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Jan 11 19:18
If LL cool J is innocent and what he said was true. Why arent Police looking for these people he saw outside of Joannas flat?
By:
Clouseau
When: 07 Jan 11 19:27
wur... if you don't mind me saying, speculation based on nothing but the fact that the bloke is a neighbour who helped out the bf with some jump leads doesn't really help.

The same can be said of anybody who happened to be passing at the time and saw or overheard something... just we don't know their names.

Besmirching the guy's name by foundless speculation is the type of thing that gets threads pulled.... besides, besmirching people's reputations based on foundless speculation is the job of the Avon and Somerset police and they get p1ssed off if anybody else does it! [;)]
By:
Ekbalco
When: 07 Jan 11 19:28
The Neighbour's got to be just about Favourite hasn't he?
By:
Nirvana
When: 07 Jan 11 19:28
From the Telegraph article comparing the 1974 and 2010 murders:

Both women had been strangled, were found fully-clothed and had not been sexually assaulted. Both women also appeared to have died quickly without being able to put up a struggle, and in both cases the victims were found without shoes on.

In each case the crime appeared to be motiveless, the victims were a similar age and were attacked at a similar time of night.

Last night Helena Carruthers, the stepmother of Glenis Carruthers, said: “It could well be that the same person who killed Glenis murdered this other young girl as well but it’s impossible to know.

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Seems to be a lot of coincidences there. Would rule out Hardyman though, as he's too old for either murder: in his 40s in 1974 and pushing 80 now.
By:
Cricketer
When: 07 Jan 11 19:28
Wur, you may have the answer if she has taken up rowing. Who was she rowing with and what was the row about?
By:
desperatemunter
When: 07 Jan 11 19:36
Neighbour showing up like a good thing now
shared interest in outdoor pursuits good basis for familiarity - a familiarity others in her life would have little idea of
  The uncovering of a hitherto unknown (to the investigators) connection between people is a common "reveal" in most good crime dramas
and i might be getting swayed by that
By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jan 11 19:39
was his trip away in xmas week pre planned or spur of the moment
By:
Ekbalco
When: 07 Jan 11 19:44
If she was murdered in the flat and it's a 1.01 I believe,it has to be someone who lives near the scene - hence the attempt to put distance between the corpse and it's resting place.
It therefore can only one of three - Bf/LL/Neighbour - Bf has to have been discounted by Plod(cctv/receipts etc.) as he would have been No. 1 suspect from the word go.LL has nothing whatsoever on him after 7s hours of questioning ; which only leaves one.

Burly/Jeep/Gun Club - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
By:
Ekbalco
When: 07 Jan 11 19:44
*72
By:
leazes67
When: 07 Jan 11 19:47
police finaly getting round to interviewing pub customers. 3 weeks too late imo.
By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jan 11 19:48
sometime between 17 and when the LL was arrested he was away,when would he have removed the body,im going along with the locals who said that body couldnt have been there for days,slow moving traffic in bad weather,dog walkers etc
By:
maveric
When: 07 Jan 11 19:48
from a digital spy post;

'Joanna and Greg having had a row is the best explanation for me of both their behaviours that weekend. The fact that he went off on his journey even though the weather was so bad people were being advised not to travel across the country. The fact that he apparently didn’t find it odd that she didn’t text, ring or reply to any contact – he either assumed she was still in a huff with him, or he wasn’t trying to contact her because he was still annoyed himself. The delay in him reporting her missing when he got back on Sunday – he was assuming that she had gone out to make a point about still being cross with him, and had stubbornly thought ‘well I’m not going to chase after her’ in spite of being a bit worried beneath it.

On Joanna's part, the meandering home in bad weather and going to 3 different shops - she was cross and wanted to make sure Greg had definitely left on his journey before she got back. Had probably decided to treat herself to a nice pizza etc and a night in to compensate.

It also explains GR's extreme emotion in the press conferences and appeals – he is crazed with remorse not for killing her, as some people suspected, but because the row has indirectly led to this outcome, and he must now wish he had acted differently as his girlfriend would probably still be alive. But all that has led to him remaining under suspicion, at least from the public.

It also possibly explains why he apparently ‘didn’t see’ whatever it was in the flat that convinced her parents she’s been abducted – he was still inclined to see everything around him as related to their row and Jo making a point that she wasn’t going to wait in for him, hadn’t tidied up as agreed etc.

'
By:
desperatemunter
When: 07 Jan 11 19:49
Ekbalco summary is forefront of current thinking^^^^^
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Jan 11 19:53
digitspy are worse than chit chat!
By:
leazes67
When: 07 Jan 11 19:54
olice investigating the murder of Jo Yeates are questioning customers at the pub she visited on the night she vanished.

Miss Yeates, 25, went to the Bristol Ram pub in Park Street on 17 December before walking back to her flat in the Clifton area of the Bristol.

It is known the landscape architect visited three shops on the way home.

Earlier a national newspaper said it was offering a £50,000 reward for information leading to a conviction.

Detectives from Avon and Somerset Police hope by speaking to customers this may yield further clues into the investigation.

It is believed Jo Yeates would have walked up Park Street - a busy road close to the city centre - before walking towards the Tesco Express store in Clifton where she bought a pizza.

Officers are trying to find out whether anyone followed her to her home in Canynge Road - a walk of about one mile.

She was reported missing by her boyfriend Greg Reardon on 19 December after he returned home from a weekend away.

Her snow-covered body was discovered on Christmas Day in Longwood Lane, near Bristol.

A post-mortem examination revealed she had been strangled.


[u]Miss Yeates had been drinking with colleagues in the Bristol Ram on Park Street
Detectives still do not know where or when Miss Yeates died and forensic examinations are continuing at the flat.[/u

THIS CONTRADICTS POLICE SAYING THEY WERE SATISFIED JO DIED AT THE FLAT.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Jan 11 19:58
wasnt it that they are satified Jo returned home. Dont think they have said anything about where or when she died
By:
LuckyLucan
When: 07 Jan 11 20:03
How long had she not lived at home with parents? Was father happy about boyfriend? Is there anything in her past that she was about to reveal?
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 07 Jan 11 20:10
has anyone mentioned the possibility that the cause of death -strangulation , may have been the result of a sex game that went wrong
By:
Clouseau
When: 07 Jan 11 20:11
I think the only conclusions that can be drawn from this whole sad episode is that if, God forbid, you ever find yourself anywhere near where a murder has taken place you keep schtum. You didn't see anything, you didn't hear anything, you don't volunteer that you have ever seen the victim or anybody remotely connected.

If you go against these guidelines you run the risk of being plastered all over the papers, having your house gutted so that Plod can run "forensic tests". Your computer will be impounded and every website you ever visited you will have to explain away.... even the ones you visited for... erm... purely research purposes.[:x]

Random people on infinite chat forums will have you down as the nailed on favourite and you will either be described as a "confirmed bachelor" or a "love rat" or a kiddy fiddler because you told a bunch of local brats doing trick or treat to sod off 3 halloweens ago...
By:
LuckyLucan
When: 07 Jan 11 20:15
....and every website you ever visited you will have to explain away.... even the ones you visited for... erm... purely research purposes.

Honestly officer, I just typed in 'animal lover'.
By:
Cricketer
When: 07 Jan 11 20:15
Sorry if this point has been made, but there are too many enquiries going on. There is the official police enquiry and then there are all the second guesser media w@nkers who just get in the fecking way, forcing the police to do/say something they dont want.

Radio silence, mile exclusion zone, stitch soemone up and hang 'em. It worked in the old days.

ps By far the best investigation is that being carried out by the chit chatters. Have we discounted James Anderson from the earlier line of enquiry? Has Heather Mills been introduced as somebody stole one sock?
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