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From The Sun
MURDERED Joanna Yeates sent a final text message inviting a male friend out for a drink on the night she was last seen alive, The Sun can reveal. The pal never replied and is now racked with guilt thinking he could have saved her life. A source said: "Jo was at a loose end as her boyfriend was away. As she walked home she passed close to the home of someone she hadn't seen for about 18 months. He's a friend of her brother, just a casual acquaintance. "On the spur of the moment she decided to try to text him and ask if he was around to meet for a friendly drink, but she never got a reply. "She carried on home and the friend now feels horribly guilty about not getting back to her. He's told people, 'I could have saved her life'. He's beside himself." |
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Screams from the general direction of Joanna's flat at nine o'clock have been reported by two independent witnesses. If these were the sounds of her murder, and not just a scene from a film being shown on television at the time, then we can rule out a sex game gone wrong. (Not to mention there are no reports of her infidelity.)
There were no signs of forced entry to the flat, suggesting Joanna opened the door to her killer. This would seem to rule out her finding the killer already in the flat (else how did he get in?) engaged in burglary or knicker-sniffing. The police were too early hung up on the landlord, so that proper investigation and consideration of alternatives was delayed until after DNA evidence had cleared him. As the Daily Telegraph complains: The clue of the missing sock, which could still be in the murderer's possession, was withheld until Wednesday, despite its obvious significance, and CCTV footage from privately owned cameras on Miss Yeates's street, which could have held images of the killer, have been lost because delays in asking for them meant they were automatically deleted. |
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If Aunty Post is right, then the murderer is probably a known sex offender. It is hard to imagine murder being a first offence. There are 310 sex offenders in Bristol, and a good many of them will be guilty of the wrong sort of offence so can be ignored. The police have recovered DNA evidence which can be used to rule them in or out.
It is not very convincing though. Surely the joy of sock fetishism (if such a thing exists) is that there is absolutely no need to persuade or compel sock wearers to participate, let alone murder them. |
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sorry missed a bit of article
o, 25, is understood to have sent the text in between leaving a pub at 8pm and buying cider at an off-licence at 8.20pm on December 17. It is believed the friend was asleep, and by the time he saw the text he thought it was too late to reply. It is understood police interviewed him as a matter of routine because Jo's mobile showed she tried to reach him. The text was uncovered as part of a huge sweep of mobile phone and computer records. Police - who believe Jo was murdered after arriving back at her flat in Clifton, Bristol - declined to comment on the text. |
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so she was sending texts to casual aquaitances it seems ?? sounds liek she may have bought the cider and pizza expecting someone to come round
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Any ambitious police officers should be polishing up their CVs in readiness to apply for the no doubt soon to be vacant post of Head of the Bristol Murder Squad imo.
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2 small bottles of cider?
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That's a nasty piece of work from The Sun, full of insinuations from a 'source'.
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does it surprise you?
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happy couple just moved into her dream flat coming up to xmas after a few drinks ,phones an ex male friend on the off chance while walking up the road,who happens to be asleep at 8 o clock on a fri evening.
its either a complete load of rollocks from the sun sheds a new light on the character of jo and opens up a new suspect,was he asleep because he,d been out drinking an d bumped into jo,earlier and relived old times,flirted a bit etc,so she thinks i no ,empty cold flat ,boyfriend away, he lives nearby i,ll give him a ring if its true he must be a runner |
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No magic flea, sadly.
And yes it's a complete load of rollocks. |
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"A bit on the quiet"
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hadnt seen for 18 months but still has his phone number?
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Agree the knuckle draging sun readers reading that sun piece will be thinking exactly what the sun want them to think.
Shocking really the press garbage. The text was uncovered as part of a huge sweep of mobile phone and computer records. You put the mobile numbers and date times you want into the application and it spews out the data. Takes about 2 mins. |
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Why hit 3 shops's on the way home ? Surely Tesco would have everything she needed, and I'm sure given their buying power they could knock out Cider cheaper than "Bargain Booze" (if they felt so inclined to do so)
Maybe the victim was not thinking straight on the way home because of.... (A) She had consumed a little more than we are led to believe and was not thinking straight (B) She was excited and making/changing plans on the way home as the result of an unexpected opportunity. Note to plod: Go back to check and compare cider prices at the three establishments visited. |
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Indeed.
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Anyone have any information on the following
(A) The brand and/or relative strength of the cider ? (B) Was cider the victim's regular tipple of choice ? |
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From the DM article linked to above
"Joanna spoke her final words to her father a fortnight before Christmas, phoning to ask what he would like as a gift. A hooded training top for the gym would do nicely, he told her. She last saw her mother around the same time, when Mrs Yeates travelled to Bristol to watch filming of the TV show Deal Or No Deal, and stayed at the Clifton flat." Maybe not as close to her family as the plod would like us to believe ? |
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wtf? fits perfectly with her character of being a grown independent woman
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Yes, no idea what you're suggesting Brendan.
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Most men I know would go nuts if their GFs were inviting blokes out a drink while they were away.
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New friends required then A_T
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That's normal in your circles then sm? Women inviting men out for drinks while their partners are away? I must have led a sheltered life...
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Yes, absolutely.
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I'm just suggesting that maybe the info released thus far has been "buffed up" or released without proper validation and checking fully into her background as happened in the Claudia Lawrence disappearance.
I appreciate that this is done in order to get the public on side from an early point in the investigation and I'm not suggesting for one moment that the victim in this case had a "colourful" private life as Ms Lawrence, I just want to be sure that we have an accurate and true picture of the victim in order that we can solve this in a timely and efficient manner. |
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Right, it just read to me as if you were suggesting she wasn't close to her family.
What are you suggesting about Claudia Lawrence? |
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A_T, my missus has plenty of male friends that she sees without me at our place and theirs'. We aren't living in the 1930's any more
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leaves work colleagues at the pub. decides to head off home. 10 minutes later thought 1, get a pizza. 10 minutes later thought 2, bollocks I'm on my own I'll get some cider. once home, bored, on her own, boyfriend away for the weekend, arranges to meet someone (possibly the next day?).
anyway, why haven't they told us if she has eaten the pizza, or whether she was found wearing the same clothes as in the cctv pictures? Come on police, how is chit-chat supposed to solve this without all the information? |
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Claudia Lawrence is interesting, got the impression that plod did a character assination on her when they ran up against a brick wall
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The text would have come to light within 1 or 2 days of being reported missing, why has it been leaked now?
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So they are to interview registered sex offenders in the area, must mean they actually haven't got a clue, and would appear to rule out the LL and the B/F for now.If this is a random killing they might have screwed up and are now doing things that should have been done weeks ago.
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Considering there are very few known and published facts about Joanna's movements on the evening of Friday 17th December, but these include the timings that she was in the shops and what she bought I find it pathetic, lazy journalism to even manage to get these wrong.
As soon as I got to the bit in the Daily Mail about the half-litre bottles of cider I stopped reading and when the Sun says she was buying cider at 8.20 pm then forget it.... it was between 8.24 and 8.29 aqnd minutes are critical when tracing people's final steps. If they can't get known facts right then what does that say about their speculation and innuendo? Also, if the police were in Longwood Lane last night, Friday, trying to trace people who might have driven by when Joanna's body was dumped there, then, as they have never established or stated that she was dumped there ON the Friday night, I presume they are still there questioning drivers and will still be there up until next Saturday..... from what they have said the body could have been dumped there at any time during the missing week..... if they aren't still there then can we infer that her body was drfinitely dumped there on the Friday night? |
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The fact that the police have been investigating the neighbouring rifle range to see if the body was 'stored' there means that her neighbour, Peter Stanley is a suspect. He is the assistant coach at the club which uses it.
He helped the landlord jump start the boyfriend's car, so may have known that the boyfriend would be away for the weekend and that Jo would be returning shortly from the pub. Waits for her arriving, then invites her round for a drink. Tells her to bring the pizza with her. |
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Piece in Daily Express today from a profiler,most certainly killed in flat,by a young man,very carefully planned and deff not random,highly unlikely strangled with sock,the dumping of the body was to buy time and distance himself from the crime,deff not done by a random prowler,missing sock not taken as a trophy he would have taken something more intimate,pizza box if found likely to be of limited value,theres only one person who fits most of these stats
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Sparkster,
I cant answer that without casting dispersions or sparking a row on the lifestyle choices Ms Lawrence which is something I have no wish to do. I am just noting that the portrait of the victim painted in the first stages of the Lawrence investigation was almost unrecognisable from the picture that later emerged which MAY have affected the quality of the investigation. I hope and do truly believe that Mr Plod has learnt from the above. I also hope that this is not the case in the current investigation and that the CCDDA have been given a true picture of the victim and we are not wasting our resources by being led in the wrong direction. I hope that clarifies the point I was trying to make, my apologies if it was badly worded before. Lets move on and concentrate on the case in hand. |
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Think we can infer that plod are scrambling and looking for exit with least criticism imo
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sandysboy - Fresh?
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Plenty of conflicting reports in the press. In one a ligature was used in another it was done by hand. A dna sample was found on the body yet today i am reading no dna sample has been found. The press are making it up as they go along and not doing the investigators any favours.
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the police are very wary of releasing too much information as it may affect any future trial. Curse of the modern era, although the same happened with Suttcliffe
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i'd be checking all the rug shops. If i had a dead body to move, 100% going to roll it up in a rug or carpet, only way to conceal it.
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