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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
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IF what the groundsman saw was the murderer then it does suggest that it was just one person?
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Two people reported screams at 9pm
(both outside) If screams came from victims flat surely they would be heard inside by other tenants |
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nirvana
agree with most of your synopsis.however i still have issues over time of death.as far as im aware, police have still yet to confirm if the body was clothed in green sweater and dark pants as seen on cctv.autopsy cannot confirm that the pizza was eaten.assuming she planned to eat the pizza on arrival home, this leaves two scenarios.firstly,she gets home and is murdered before she ate the pizza.this puts time of death 9 to 9-30pm on friday. if she eats the pizza, she didnt die until sunday,otherwise autopsy would confirm she ate the pizza. i know everyone thinks its obvious she died on friday night,but show me a quote where police confirm this. if the body is clothed as seen on cctv,we most likely have our time of death...friday pre 9-30pm. |
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body found 3 miles away
no immediate or obvious signs of death no sign of forced entry no pizza no sightings in or out of building boyfriend didnt see any signs of struggle in flat what do the police no that we dont that convinces them she was killed in the flat |
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Just that she arrived back at her flat and was not abducted en route and that she was found without her boots.
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99% certain killed in the flat IMO
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wur there is no sightings of her arriving back at her flat
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So she was killed/snatched in the street? Then her shopping, boots and coat were put in the flat afterwards by someone? Makes absolutely no sense.
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True, AT. But then it makes no sense killing her in the flat and moving the body - unless the killer was closely conected to the flat and wanted to give himself time to hide the body and put some distance between him and the crime.
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if you had access to flat ie bf , LL, what would you choose given the choice,placing phone ,bag,cider etc in flat,or remove dead body, neither makes sense but one is no stranger than the other
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Also hard to imagine she was abducted from the flat. That would have entailed a struggle and needed two people: one to keep hold of her; the other to drive the car.
More likely, she was killed in the flat and her body moved later when the area (parties, etc) ahd quietened down. |
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... but then what if she freely goes outside ( perhaps lured by a pretence - someone claiming they are lost or someone she knew ) expecting to go back to the flat almost immediately so no coat etc.
She could have been murdered elsewhere. |
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It's difficult to find a reason for the missing pizza whatever you think happened.
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But no footwear either, c-c?
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Yes, pizza another puzzle. Did she have time to cook and eat it? If not, the killer must have taken it for some reason.
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Because it was in the oven cooking and someone who cared about the flat would take it out of the oven as not to start a fire...
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Nirv, do you think the Landlord likes Pizza?
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No comment, GT.
Pat, why not just turn off the oven? Far easier than disposing of the pizza and the box. |
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maybe the boyfriend told her at lunch he wasnt going till after tea , and ther arranged to have a pizza, still doesnt explain no wrappings etc
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Her bf had left at 7pm (ish), so she knew she would be alone. That's why she went to the pub, I suppose, for some company. Pizza not huge anyway, and she could have saved half for another day if not that hungry.
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If there was footprints in her flat forensics woulda picked them up i'm sure..
However, perhaps the murderer didn't enter the flat with shoes/boots on etc? |
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boyfriend sent txt messages and calls to Jo while he was away with no response,
unless they had a row surely that was a bit odd not to get any reply at all (?) huge amount of forensic activity at flat so police must believe that is where she died, so if that is right you'd think the killer would have just run, why move the body (?) even more risk of being caught, unless the purpose was to put distance between the flat as a crime scene (?) |
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ffs why are ppl still posting about the lack of response to texts and calls?
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because we havnt been told if she read,aknowledged calls and just ignored them,or that the messages were unread
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sorry, i wasn't clear enough as i was SEETHING at reading the same old stuff over and over. i meant why are ppl still suggesting the bf should think it odd her not replyinh when it's been said 77,764,233,555 times that it wasn't unusual for her not to respond.
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Nirvana 07 Jan 11 16:33
But no footwear either, c-c? If she was murdered outside the flat it's easy to envisage perhaps the sock being used for the murder .. if so why bother to put the shoes back on a dead body .. and it's easier to burn/dispose of the shoes separately than attempt to carry a body with the shoes on anyway. If you disregard the pizza it all points to the murder being committed outside the flat - but if so why is the pizza missing. Perhaps it was being cooked and the murderer went back to switch off the oven in case it caused a fire - leading to the discovery of Joanna missing 2 days earlier. |
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Surely the most likely Pizza explanation is that she met someone at last minute who suggested she bring it over and eat it there for company? She may well have been in the flat for a min. when she got a call and thought 'why not'?' There's no reason to think she went in socks; I am sure she had other shoes apart from the boots, and quite likely neither the bf or parents knew exactly what shoes she possessed.
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good value losers
the boyfriend would have had to lie to the police and plan the murder. I assume as has been reported that his petrol receipts checked out - also what possible motive would he have had ? they appeared to both be very happy. If you have just moved in with someone and it doesn't work out you just leave. |
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shirley the coroner would be able to establish whether she was strangles using hands or a sock or other. The police are keeping schtum for a reason. No need to give away all the details that only the murderer(s) may know about, whilst hoping for a slip up
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She was strangled with a ligature
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maveric - that fits
someone she knew turns up in a car - suggests she goes to their place and takes the uncooked pizza with her. |
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Her mobile isn't missing so presumably there was no last minute phonecall.
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Aceme 07 Jan 11 17:11
She was strangled with a ligature Do you know or is that a guess ? |
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As well as the absence of the pizza is the absence of any motive.
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curious-cat 07 Jan 11 17:13
Aceme 07 Jan 11 17:11 She was strangled with a ligature Do you know or is that a guess ? Well thets what the police have said |
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sorry, I didn't know.
perhaps the sock ? |
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But if she went elsewhere wouldn't she take her coat, keys and phone?
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Aceme
I think your posts are amongst the more sensible posts on the related threads. but I've got about 12 pages to read on this particular thread  |
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I'd like to see someone try and strangle another with a sock.
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