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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
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not if she was expecting to go straight to someone else's place.
Also if she was abducted outside the flat it means the murderer bothered to take away the pizza  |
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Yes curious- cat the sock is in the frame as having been the possible ligature used
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the sock was a long one ..... you could easily pull it tight enough to strangle someone.
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pixie.....don't imagine a little short trainer sock!
This was, apparently, a long ski wear type. |
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too much focus on the pizza - red herring.
if it was opened that would suggest she was safe when she first got back, and everything happened after she was home in her flat. can't see how it can be a big clue in finding her killer by this point. |
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Good point about the phone Curius cat - must be either a car, or someone very local who saw her arrive and just decied to pop in and invite her over.
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20 threads
5,000+ posts BFs sharp minds 2 weeks and what have you got ? NADA  |
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It is significant it wasn't on the body - not the type of sock to fall off - and no reason to take it off before disposing of the body.
< 1.1 it was used imo |
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Agree missing pizza red herring, Police cant tell if she ate it or not. Packaging could have been on way to the dump a week before plod got round to taking this seriously.
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Every theory seems to have a flaw, the killer obviously did something irrational at the time that seemed to him/her necessary to distance themselves from the crime. I think moving the body was that thing.
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If, as you lot are suggesting, that the strangling was premeditated then I think any would be throttler would rather trust in a ligature more up for the job, rather than hoping the victim would wear a nice, long, strong sock to do the job instead.
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mr winkle - I've said almost from the beginning of the first thread when the betting was 7/1 ..
that the case was likely to remain unsolved. |
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Sock most likely with the Pizza in a bin liner and put in some innocent persons dustbin - now in the tip.
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did Joanna smoke? popped out for a smoke? guess she doesnt as it would have been mentioned
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why would the police mention it ?
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if she was killed wiv the sock,surely it wasnt a premeditated murder u dont go to kill someone wiv nothin to kill them wiv.
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in her socks?
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pixie
For the record, I completely don't think it was pre meditated. |
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police on finding body no obvious sign of struggle, 2 days to decide it was murder,even allowing for cold temperatures ,strangling a young fit woman going to leave alot of obvious ,clearly visible marks
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you dont have to go frolicking in the snow to have a smoke, just stand in the doorway.
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mr winkle 07 Jan 11 17:22
20 threads 5,000+ posts BFs sharp minds 2 weeks and what have you got ? NADA Probably around 4000 if you had refrained from posting [;)] |
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Aceme, if the sock was the ligature then it certainly wasn't premeditated.
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 Forgot the smilie ! |
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or indoors, as some still do it.
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What if someone she worked with ( knowing the boyfriend was away ) and who was in the pub misread friendliness as an invitation.
Perhaps Joanna thought she was being followed - hence the visit to Waitrose w/o buying anything although the film of her buying the cider she was smiling and in good humour - or perhaps she was with 1 or 2 colleagues who waited outside while she bought the cider. They return to flat - start eating the pizza - something goes wrong - well they'd have to be crazy to murder her anyway - she is murdered - they return to the flat later to clean up and take away the body - and any dna which may have been on the missing pizza |
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yeah indoors to but new to flat etc. most young uns stand around at back door these days. Just a theory after a few drinks she might like a smoke even if she didnt normally partake
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I dont believe it was premeditaed pixie, whatever ligature was used. I believe the killer was already in the flat, in the bedroom, and used something there, maybe a belt that was lying around or hanging in the wardrobe if he was hiding there.
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Think there is ctv of her walking by herself although bit grainy
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Facebook, in the pub, a longish walk home on her own, plenty of opportunity for a chancer, sadly with possible little dna evidence as well this may well go unsolved.
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join the unsolved club pumps
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I started to tally who did it according to forumites on the first thread.
I was reading the thread from about page 15 and as I read I made a list .. before I could go back and do the first 15 pages the thread was deleted - largely, I believe due to someone posting the landlord's tel no. bear in mind the boyfriend would have been the fav on the first 15 pages. And thet I was doing this at night while watching the cricket so I had plenty of time on my hands Father ~~~~~~~ ClayDavis 1st time poster 29 Dec 10 10:03 Boyfriend ~~~~~~~~~~ sandysboy 29 Dec 10 18:46 Workmate ~~~~~~~~~~~ Rocket to the FACE 28 Dec 10 21:42 brigust1 29 Dec 10 10:24 The Landlord ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valero 29 Dec 10 11:57 ClayDavis 29 Dec 10 12:37 Aceme 29 Dec 10 16:23 1st time poster 29 Dec 10 19:00 Ashley_Young 29 Dec 10 20:18 Whippet 29 Dec 10 20:20 Kingmambo 29 Dec 10 20:24 those who are in both lists either changed thier minds from the boyfriend or were cheating ( ie they could claim they were right whoever did it ) |
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or father ( not the boyfriend )
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Isn't a sock way too 'stretchy' to use as a ligature?
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not my w@nk sock
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Were there none for the man who helped start his car and send BF on his way to Sheffield?
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based on the jumpstarting angle , i,m all in on the boyfriend
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Not enough focus on the pizza imv.
The pizza is the key. |
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So, the landlord and a neighbour may both have realised she would be on her own for the weekend if the boyfriend whose car they started had mentioned to them what his plans were. He may also have told them Jo was having a drink with workmates.
One of them keeps watch for her arriving back, collects the mail from the communal letter box and takes her mail to her, just so he can invite her round for a drink, thinking she might be up for it if she's had a few and alone. She tells him she's going to have a pizza, so he suggests she brings it with her and cooks it in his oven. She says okay and seals her fate. |
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There would be some dna evidence of her in either flat
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