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By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 07 Jul 12 22:00
How did WTC 7 collapse again?? Come on, we all know structures with damage collapse into the area of lest resistance and not the area of most resistance.

Its hard to comprehend an American secret service would allow thousands of its own civilians to perish as they did. Yet the CIA hold the clues regarding Operation Able Danger, that they had prior knowledge of what was unfolding. Prior knowledge and the collapse of WTC7 ( which housed the CIA offices, United States Secret Service and all sorts of financial documentation regarding investment banking law suits etc etc)...this is the real cover up.

They knew.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 07 Jul 12 22:07
They at least knew it was going to happen.

What an odd series of events. Operation Able Danger is the key to proving the CIA knew.

This will explain WTC 7 collapsing like a demolition job.
By:
tobermory
When: 12 Sep 13 02:25
shocking ttt omission
By:
Petrus Romanus
When: 12 Sep 13 03:18
Had forgotten just how much of a nutter Sunset Cristo was....and keeping it on topic there's no way that 9/11 was accomplished without inside help of some sort, whether it be planning or simply looking the other way and allowing it to happen. And I'm not in Manxy's camp where it comes to WTC7 coming down due to fire...no way ever.
By:
terry mccann
When: 12 Sep 13 08:18
that geo w bush was a shifty old c00nt thats for sure,never batted an eyelid when he heard
By:
Mcginty
When: 12 Sep 13 09:46
New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane, while

government dupes are crazy and hostile



Mischief

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/07/17/new-studies-conspiracy-theorists-sane-while-government-dupes-are-crazy-and-hostile/
By:
polybot
When: 12 Sep 13 10:05
Michael Wood
Postgraduate Researcher
My research interests generally centre around the topic of conspiracy theories. How do conspiracy theories differ psychologically from more conventional explanations for events? Where do they come from, how do they spread, and how do they affect the communities in which they arise? My doctoral research will investigate these questions both in a laboratory setting and through examination of online conspiracy communities, which are fertile grounds for the growth of non-mainstream belief systems and alternative narratives of why the world is the way it is. I am also interested in cults, belief in the paranormal, automatism and the ideomotor effect, and recovered memory.

Laugh
By:
polybot
When: 12 Sep 13 10:07
and all you paranoid and unstable believers, I'm not laughing at you, so don't go all mental and start stabbing random strangers who you think are "in on it". Shocked
By:
polybot
When: 12 Sep 13 10:09
this sound piece of "research" from a grad student has given you something to cling to, so chill out and settle down you kids Angry
By:
Mcginty
When: 12 Sep 13 10:12
'That means it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority'.


Cool
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 11:09
2 planes demolish 3 Skyscrapers Shocked( not just damage but completely demolish - Demolish i say! )

Nice to see that the U.S is now teaming up with Al Q in Syria, they will be exchanging Christmas presents soon.
By:
ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo
When: 12 Sep 13 11:36
They have been for years Angel
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 12 Sep 13 11:39
I dont know what to think...


But, I did think the way those buildings crashed down after the planes hit them was unusual to say the least.

I wonder what Einstein would have made of it.
By:
a bitofinterest
When: 12 Sep 13 12:01
he would have been a go go Scared
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 13:19
2 planes = 3 buildings pulverised into their own footprint.

It`s a bit like hitting 180 with 2 darts and the darts board falling off the wall, (thrice)
By:
bluemanc64
When: 12 Sep 13 18:12
We are all forgetting the pentagon hit,the most protected building on the planet,only Cctv footage came from one camera which did not prove a plane hit the pentagon,old tv footage,cannot see any engines from said plane,it's all very dodgy,also wtc building 7 comes down after the BBC reporter says it comes down,she is clearly seen saying it has come down,on the tv footage it is clearly in tact just over her shoulder unbelievable.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 18:21
`They` were all taken by surprise and NORAD could do nothing to stop it.

4 Times!!!Cry
By:
AyersRock
When: 12 Sep 13 18:23
and there was that **** and bull story about how the accused took flying lessons in america but were adamant that they only wanted to learn how to fly - not how to take off and land and apparently this did not arouse any suspicions, also they found their passports, what a miracle.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 12 Sep 13 18:25
Just how people can believe the bullshít about Tower 7 & The Pentagon is beyond me!
This is well worth a watch;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rw397VbRyM

I have friends that call me a paranoid nutter (because I've been livid about this business for years!) but the naive bastards refuse to watch the evidence!

For those who ain't got the time to watch a lengthy documentary in its entirety, forward the link below to 17:50 and watch for just TWO minutes;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUS_58XC5I

Apologies if someone's already posted these links but people need to know...I'd like to hear the debunker's version of these events.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 18:53
NG

It is strange people can make their minds up without investigating matters further. I guess it`s easier to go with the crowd for some people rather than taxing the grey matter with an abundance of information which the nutters believe, so why bother.

I have no problem with people looking into it and still saying for example `oh i just think the Americans are just being secretive about revealing images of the Pentagon crash etc...at least they have taken the time to understand why so many are dubious about the events..but i have known people trying to hold the higher ground of sanity without even knowing about WTC7 or Operation Able Danger. It can be frustrating to debate probably for people on both sides. However for balance sake, the people who believe the official line should actually be aware of the foundation of facts before they mock.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 19:00
I have friends that call me a paranoid nutter (because I've been livid about this business for years!) but the naive bastards refuse to watch the evidence!

Yes this is frustrating, but perhaps something one day will trigger them to have a good look at it. Perhaps at the flick of a switch their perception may change. For example it could be the U.S government now supporting Al Qaeda in Syria...that may ignite a "Hold on a minute something just aint right here" feeling and they realise what the American elite maybe capable of.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 12 Sep 13 19:06
AG - I agree with that but when there's incontrovertible evidence (in my opinion) I start to suspect that such staunch believers in the official version of events are just taking the piss and winding me up, as there really is just ONE conclusion (concerning WTC7 & The Pentagon) for any rational person to arrive at.

I reckon that 'ribbing' they do is their 'cover' for when the FACTS eventually become official, so they can claim they too knew all along and were never really THAT gullible.

At the risk of being ridiculed (I don't give a fcuk) I must admit that I think most conspiracy theories have legitimate substance to them - here's a link to one that sounds far fetched but as usual, things check out;

FEMA Camps with millions of plastic 'coffins' hovering around that can house 4/5/6 people!
Just WTF are they planning?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4W82h-9urk
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 12 Sep 13 19:11
PS - I think the powers that be are in the process of labelling 'conspiracy theorists' with a sociopathic connotation (and it's working) much in the same way the term 'racist' has EVOLVED over the last couple of decades.

People are terrified of these tags...I don't give a fcuk if someone calls me a conspiracy theorist!
By:
Thin and Crispy
When: 12 Sep 13 19:13
How many conspiracy theories have been proved to be true?
By:
AyersRock
When: 12 Sep 13 19:14
hillsborough
By:
lux
When: 12 Sep 13 19:15
Are you saying WTC7 was a controlled demolition navel?

and indeed WTC1&2 ?
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 12 Sep 13 19:26
LUX - I don't know ALL the answers but I'm 100% sure they're serving us a golden shower of information.


T&C - using Occam's Razor is poor rationale as justification for believing the official semen they churn out.

I could bore the balls off a buffalo and cite hundreds of examples that I'm aware of but there's no mileage in doing so as I'd be setting myself up as a cyber-pinata!

If we stick with WTC7 & The Pentagon then they're examples of 100% horseshít as I see things, even though I still don't claim to have the real answers - one interesting theory that's not received much coverage is that some kind of microwaves were involved on 911.

How does the average person have knowledge of secret technology?
Is it really that outrageous a theory?
Look up 911 & 1400 cars...few people are aware of these FACTS!
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 19:34
It certainly is leading to an Orwellian societal situation. The thought policing system is on it`s way.

The establishment need the majority on their side and activists will be labelled `potentional threats to National Security`, this is already happening.
By:
Thin and Crispy
When: 12 Sep 13 19:34
Hey why let lack of proof get in the way of a good story, it works for religion.
By:
lux
When: 12 Sep 13 19:35
well , just a few of the answers will do to be getting on with . I'm easily pleased Cool
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 19:39
NG

The public do not get to see military technology for years, so could military technology have been used to collapse the towers into their own footprint? Of course and this seems more likely than WTC7 being the only steel framed building to collapse at near free fall speed into it`s own footprint..
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 19:41
That`s the problem with cover ups though Crispy. The proof is covered up.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 12 Sep 13 19:43
Any of you lot checked out that link (at 17:50m in) for just TWO minutes or so?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUS_58XC5I

I must admit there's plenty of 'fear-porn' out there but some of the performances are hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsnjocJ7UDc

This guy starts off relatively sane & rational but he gets angrier by each bullet-point as he rants his way through his list of 16 conspiracies...from 47 minutes in he's flapping! Laugh
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Sep 13 19:43
NG

The public do not get to see military technology for years, so could military technology have been used to collapse the towers into their own footprint? Of course and this seems more likely than WTC7 being the only steel framed building to collapse at near free fall speed into it`s own footprint..due to not structural damage but office fires
By:
AyersRock
When: 12 Sep 13 19:48
what do people mean by actual proof? steel cannot melt unless its above temperatures of 2500°c, jet fuel burning is a lot less but the whole structure wilted, that is proof itself the building was brought down under a controlled explosion,

not the first time the building was attacked, 1993 bombing was meant to bring both down too...
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 12 Sep 13 20:09
For any sickos like me that dare to have a penchant for the truth, Jesse Ventura's 'Death Ray' episode is a compelling watch;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tey6xg8uqQ

I hope some of you believers give this an airing and then get back to me.

I'd better STFU now because thinking about it all makes me angry...I need to calm down Happy
By:
Mexico
When: 12 Sep 13 20:16
Ayers, are you aware then steel does not actually need to melt into a puddle to lose strength?


Bits on the properties on wiki (& many papers etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#Thermal_properties
By:
lux
When: 12 Sep 13 20:16
what do people mean by actual proof? steel cannot melt unless its above temperatures of 2500°F, jet fuel burning is a lot less but the whole structure wilted, that is proof itself the building was brought down under a controlled explosion,

How on earth is that proof Ayers? Steel doesn't melt until upwards of 2750F granted but Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F (jet fuel burns between 800 - 1500F, hotter with added combustibles) more than enough for it to bend and sag.

Are you honestly suggesting explosives were planted in advance without a single employee seeing a single thing? Explosives that then survived the initial explosions and resultant fires around the impact floors without being compromised?

seriously?
By:
AyersRock
When: 12 Sep 13 20:29
yes it loses strength where it hits and burns - that is not an explanation for the entire building collapsing is it

the 1993 bombs at the world trade centre went off and employees were none the wiser until it did
By:
Mexico
When: 12 Sep 13 20:39
Ayers, what would you expect to happen to a building supported by steel, when the steel loses half it's strength.

Why did you even mention the melting point, are you aware that steel at 2450C is not as strong as steel at room temp?
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