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How many copies did you buy ron?
Where there's a tragedy there's a conspiracy and where there's a conspiracy there's money to be made. |
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I could give you at least another 100 Structural Steel experts with PHD's, HNC's ...all different nationalities.
I've worked in the Oil/Gas/Energy industry for over 40 years and specialist in Structural Steel purchase ... Jet-A1 fuel cannot burn with high enough temp to melt or substanyially weaken structural Steel ! Here's some more :- 911 Truth: NYFD (New York Fire Dept.) say Explosives brought down Towers ! |
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substantially...spelling error (phucking laptop)
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And who's to say that, as Senyatta suggested, that these weren't put in place by the terrorists?
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Who knows who the culprits were ..maybe one day the truth will be out!
The problem is ..whether it's Russia, America, UK, or wherever - they (CIA/FBI/MI6/MI5/KGB/FSB etc..) treat the general public (all Countries) like phucking idiots and all are quite capable of distorting the truth, mass murder, horendous criminal activity with almost complete immunity. I've travelled very extensively throughout the World ..fom Tehran to Kazakhstan to the other side of the Ural mountains in Russia to name but a few ...and have first hand experience of what these buggers are capable of. So ...blowing up a couple of office blocks in Down Town New York - just another day at the office ! |
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Experts disagree with each other all the time.
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"Experts disagree with each other all the time"
depends on the subject ...what they can't disagree with in this case is the fundamental properties of the Structural Steel, it's chemical composition, yield strength, melting point etc ... In the construction of the floors themselves, a mix of A36 and ASTM A 242 steel was used. ASTM A 242 is what is known as a high-strength, low-alloy (HSLA) steel, which means that it was extra-strong. Q) How many Steel Framed buildings have collapsed as a result of fire ? A) None ! |
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Akabula wrote:
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My earlier post in full.
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All of which highlights the point I was striving to make. Genuine scientific grievances with the official explanation often gets grouped together with the outlandish, and thus unjustly ridiculed.
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Apologies but, to me, it read as if you were endorsing that theory.
As regards everything else many a scientist/expert has explained away the discrepancies. |
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Getting drawn in again! It's a conspiracy.
![]() I accept that there are 'issues' but to describe the whole thing as being down to 'an inside job' is outlandish in the extreme |
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I leave the who and the why to those more qualified to judge, preferring to stick to the scientific debate.
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Didn't we recently talk about this subject at length on another thread, Akabula?
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cue ball spin
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Now you're talking, sir, something I really know about!
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If you believe what you read......
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Been reading a bit about this lately. Might sound crazy, but I didn't even know about the 3rd tower that fell down! That ain't right, no effing way!
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An astounding video uncovered from the archives today shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows a BBC reporter talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remained standing.
Apparently somebody threw a **** in a waste bin and it brought the whole building down ! |
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Apparently they were reporting what reuters had reported after they got about to collapsed (it had been sealed of because of concerns it would fall) mixed up with it had collapsed.
Btw I believe there is a cover up on some scale too, there is a lot of stuff that doesn't add up, like the F-16s jets that had gone miles out to sea. But hard evidence of anything is hard to come by. |
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WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein admitted that building 7 was pulled down by a controlled demolition:
. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk - He changed his story the next day. |
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Very interesting video about the planes impact..I must admit to not realising the points they raise, until now.
'You tube - conclusive proof the 9/11 planes were not real'. |
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Planes not real? What do you mean?
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What do you mean? - I think he means this.
. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5_bWt45h0 |
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The video link I wanted is locked.
You can google what I quoted to see it. The planes almost melted into the buildings. I had previously given this no thought. The way they disappear into the buildings is very odd. The wings especially would break off. |
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wouldn't it be wonderful if we knew the truth one way or another?
of course it would,alas it aint gonna happen |
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Fascinating stuff, Injera.
Is this the link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUoqwUVOxHE |
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Good afternoon, Injera. I hope you are well, sir.
Many thanks for the video recommendation, I watched it last night with interest. As mentioned in an earlier chat with Akabula, however, the holographic aircraft debate remains a bridge too far for me. Apologies for sounding overly dismissive, but most of the theories propounded in the recording are nonsense in my view, an unwelcome distraction to the far more disturbing issues of WTCs 1, 2 and 7 and their subsequent implosions. Granted, the sight of flight 175 appearing to melt into the south tower is inexplicable to many an armchair physicist but it's nothing more than an optical illusion, a trompe l'oeil as the French would have it. The building (exactly as engineered) withstood the impact remarkably well, what we witnessed was the plane collapsing in on itself against the substructure. Something like the car in this Mythbusters clip (fast forward to 3:20): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8xTqTUGCY I live in New York for part of the year and know folk who actually saw the second crash in person. The tragic fact is that a large jet was flown into a skyscraper as an act of terrorism and to suggest otherwise is not only fallacious, it is disrespectful to the murdered passengers. To give the program's producers some small credit, their assertion regards airspeed at sea level does appear perfectly valid. Does the official report maintain that the imapct was at 550 mph? I have no idea, personally, but the engineers' testimony at Pratt & Whitney and Rolls Royce seem irrefutable. |
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Yes Trilby, thanks. What do you reckon?
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Evening Poker. Well thanks. You?
Thanks for your link. The impact on the car was at over 600mph and involving a flat, chunky object. The planes have flimsy wings (relatively) which surely break off at impact. Yes, the planes were said to be travelling over 500mph by the official report but this is apparently impossible at such a low height, given the 'heavy' air. I have no desire to tarnish the memory of victims but there are so many unanswered questions. The relatives of the lost deserve to have a creditable enquiry which has never happened. Do you think the 3 towers were demolished or collapsed as a result of fire? |
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and Osama was killed and buried at sea.
Of course he was. |
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Yes, very well thank you.
![]() I wasn't for a moment suggesting you were being disrespectful, sir, rather the producers' notion that the aircraft wasn't real. Aluminium wings wouldn't necessarily break off on impact just because they are relatively flimsy when compared with reinforced concrete, even water will penetrate such materials if it's travelling fast enough. The plane folded in on itself like a concertina against the tower's substructure, resulting in the illusion of melting we have all witnessed. Do I believe the three towers were demolished or collapsed as a result of the aircrafts' impact and subsequent fires? I contend that all three buildings were deliberately demolished by some form of explosive implosion. I have explained the reasons for such beliefs at length on here and another earlier thread entitled German documentary about 911. I'll have a look in the archives and resurrect it for you, sir. |
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Blatant in your face bully move
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The Big Bamboozle: Philip Marshall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXI8lnqEahQ |
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http://goo.gl/naikLJ
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keep it one thread imo
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How time flies!
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