prove him wrong if you can.

obviously your little brain cannot handle alot of detail canary boy.

so just the time line will do for a start.


I think I have found every available bit of information on what people at both the CIA and FBI HQ knew in the period between January 2000 to September 2001.

I have built detailed time lines from several thousand pages of information, and from this information, created a very detailed time line and detailed record of what people knew, when did they get this information and then what did they do with the information they had. Did they act like a prudent person would have acted or were they involved in nefarious actions to hide material information from the FBI criminal investigators on the USS Cole bombing investigation.

This information came from the DOJ IG report, combined with the Joint Inquiry Report and the 9/11 Commission report, along with the book, State of Denial by Bob Woodward, and the Account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan, lead FBI investigator on the Cole bombing, along with the Moussaoui Defense Exhibits. Also used was an article in Harpers on Richard Blee, head of the CIA bin Laden unit and the CIA Rendition unit.

Time lines of this information show that almost all of the very highest level managers at the CIA, and many high level managers at FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda attack was about to take place inside of the US and knew it would kill thousands of Americans. The also knew on August 22-23 that both of these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US, and even knew they were here to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that they had been warned about since April 2001.

Here is the time line of what was known by whom and when at the FBI HQ and the CIA.

July 5, 2001 - Tom Wilshire sends email to his CTC managers, Richard Earl Blee, Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit and Wilshire's immediate supervisor, Cofer Black head of the CIA CTC, and Director of the CIA George Tenet, indicating that the people at Kuala Lumpur are connected to the warnings of huge al Qaeda attack. Wilshire was a former CIA officer, who by this time, was moved over to the FBI to be the Deputy Chief of the FBI ITOS unit, the unit in charge of all FBI terrorist investigations in the world, and is also the CIA liaison to the FBI. In his position of liaison to the FBI, he is suppose to give CIA information to the FBI to be exploited in FBI criminal investigations. Wilshire already knows that al Qaeda terrorist Nawaf al-Hazmi has already entered the US, in order to carry out an al Qaeda terrorist attack and also knows that Khalid al-Mihdhar has a multi-entry visa for the US, in order to join with Hazmi in this attack. Wilshire also knows that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing with Khallad. Wilshire tells DOJ IG investigators after the attacks on 9/11 that he thought at this time that the attack would take place in Malaysia. This is truly strange. So why was Hazmi already in the US and why did Mihdhar have a multi-entry visa for the US? Maybe Wilshire thought that they were coming to the US for a little R&R before going back to Malaysia to carry out their attack.

July 10, 2001 - Blee, Black, and Tenet contact Condoleezza Rice while driving to the White House to request an emergency meeting with her and Richard Clarke. They indicate that the US is about to be attacked by the al Qaeda terrorists in a massive attack that will kill thousands of Americans. The fact that this meeting took place is kept secret by all of the investigations on 9/11 even the 9/11 Commission investigation and only becomes widely known when the facts of this meeting are brought out by Bob Woodward in his book, State of Denial. What is more telling however is the fact that Tenet had described this meeting in the White House to Richard Bin Venista, and Philip Zelicow, yet his information never gets into the 9/11 Commission report. Rice tells Tenet in this White House meeting, to give this information to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and Attorney General Ashcroft, which he does on or about July 17, 2001. On July 26, 2001 CBS news reports that Ashcroft is now only flying on private jet aircraft for the remainder of his term as AJ. His office releases a press release that says he is flying on private aircraft due to an unspecified threat given to him by the FBI. At the April 14, 2004 public hearings, Bin Venista asked Ashcroft to explain why he flew only on private aircraft in the summer of 2001. Ashcroft says that he did fly on commercial aircraft, when he went on vacations out of the country with his wife, trips the US government would never have reimbursed him for had they been on private aircraft. In spite of the fact that Bin Venista knew that Ashcroft been given this warning by George Tenet, both Venista and Ashcroft keep this July 17, 2001 meeting with Tenet a secret.

July 13, 2001 - Tom Wilshire sends email to his CTC managers, Blee and Black, and [Tenet] indicating that Khallad is a major league killer [who was at the Kuala Lumpur with Mihdhar and Hazmi, planning the Cole], and asks for permission to pass the information on Kuala Lumpur meeting to the FBI. Blee, Black and Tenet refuse to give Wilshire permission to transfer the CIA information over to the FBI even though they just had a meeting at the White House describing a huge al Qaeda attack that they have told Rice will take place inside of the US, that will kill thousands of Americans.

July 23, 2001 - Wilshire sends another email to his CTC managers, Blee, Black and [Tenet] asking what has happened to his request for permission to send the Kuala Lumpur information to the FBI, and says he thinks that Khalid al-Mihdhar should be of “high interest” with respect to the next big al Qaeda terrorist attack, and his connection to Khallad, a major league killer (of Americans). Blee, Black and Tenet again refuse to give Wilshire permission to transfer the CIA Kuala Lumpur information over to the FBI.

August 21, 2001 – Margaret Gillespie a FBI agent working at the CIA, finds the cable that said an al Qaeda terrorist, Nawaf al-Hazmi, had entered the US on January 15, 2000. She contacts the INS who tells her that another al Qaeda terrorist, Khalid al-Mihdhar, had also entered the US on the same date, and flight, left in June 2000, and had just reentered the US again on July 4, 2001. Gillespie immediately realizes how horrific this information is.

August 22, 2001 - Margaret Gillespie gives this information that Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside of the US to FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi and Deputy Chief of the FBI ITOS unit, Tom Wilshire. Wilshire knows immediately that they are here to take part in the massive al Qaeda attack that he and the CIA had been warned about since April 2001.

In the DOJ IG report, page 302, Corsi admits that she knows , by this date, that the CIA has a photo of Khallad at the Kuala Lumpur meeting, knows that they have been keeping this secret from the FBI Cole investigators so these FBI criminal investigators will not have the evidence they need to open any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi. [NOTE: It would appear that the CIA thought that if Bongardt continued with any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi and then found the Kuala Lumpur photo of Khallad, he would have known that the June 11, 2001 meeting between the CIA, FBI HQ agents and the FBI Cole bombing investigators had been nothing but a sting on the FBI, a criminal conspiracy to find out what the Cole investigators had found out about the Kuala Lumpur meeting.]

At this meeting set up by Tom Wilshire, Corsi had presented three photos of Mihdhar from Kuala Lumpur that Wilshire had gotten from the CIA and CIA officer Clark Shannon asked Bongardt and his team if they recognizes anyone in these photos. Since one photo only had Mihdhar and Hazmi in it, it was clear that the CIA only wanted to know if the FBI Cole investigators had found out the information that the CIA had been trying to keep secret, that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing at this meeting. The CIA was concerned that if this information went to the FBI investigators, it might end up in the papers, and would show that the CIA was culpable in the Cole bombing for having photographed all of the al Qaeda terrorists at the Kuala Lumpur meeting and then letting them walk away to carry out the attacks on the USS Cole.

August 23, 2001 - Corsi contacts FBI intelligence Agent Craig Donnachie by phone at the New York office of the FBI and tells him that it is urgent that he start an intelligence investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi right away. In spite of Donnachie’s feeling this should be given to the FBI criminal Cole bombing investigators, he reluctantly agrees to start this investigation. Corsi emails Wilshire immediately and says; “Craig will open an intelligence investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.”

Well known at the time at FBI HQ, the FBI office of the OIPR rarely allowed an intelligence investigation and criminal investigation of the same persons at the same time. The intelligence investigation will make it much harder for FBI agent Steve Bongardt and his team to start any criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, in spite of the fact that Corsi, Wilshire and the CIA knows Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing.

Margaret Gillespie forces the CIA Bin Laden unit to issue a worldwide alert for Mihdhar and Hazmi that indicates both Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside of the US, an alert that goes right to Blee, Black and Tenet. Since these CIA managers had already been given Wilshire’s warnings that Mihdhar would be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda attack, they clearly knew that these terrorists were inside of the US to take part in this al Qaeda attack. Yet none of the many people at the even the highest levels of the CIA or FBI HQ who are aware of this information on Mihdhar and Hazmi warn Bongardt and his criminal investigators that these terrorist are in the US to take part in a horrific al Qaeda attack

August 27, 2001 - On or about this date, both Tom Wilshire and Rod Middleton review and approve the EC that Corsi has written up to start an intelligence investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

Corsi is approved in writing by the general counsel for the NSA, to give the NSA Kuala Lumpur information to the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole in New York City, FBI Steve Bongardt and his team,

August 28, 2001 – Corsi’s EC comes over to the New York office of the FBI to Craig Donnachie, who sends it to John Liguori, his supervisor. Liguori thinks this connects both Mihdhar and Hazmi to the planning of the Cole bombing and sends this EC to FBI Agent Steve Bongardt.

Bongardt immediately calls Corsi and requests that this investigation be given to him and his team, since he now thinks these terrorists are inside of the US in order to carry out yet another horrific al Qaeda attack, and he has an experienced team already in place that can find these terrorists before they carry out this attack.

Corsi tells Bongardt that he and any of his team are not even allowed to look at the NSA information in her EC, in spite of the fact that she had already received the release from the NSA to give this very information to him, that he must destroy this EC and that he will not be allowed to take part in any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi.

Bongardt requests that Corsi get an opinion from the NSLU, the FBI legal people to see if he can start an investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi since he does not see any connection between the NSA information and a FISA warrant, the only reason he would be denied this information.

August 29, 2001 - Corsi tells Bongardt that the NSLU had ruled he could not take part in any investigation for Midhar and Hazmi. Bongardt tells Corsi that because of this ruling someday [many] Americans will die. But according to the 9/11 Commission report the attorney Corsi had consulted NSLU Attorney Sherry Sabol tells DOJ IG investigators on November 7, 2002 that she told Corsi that since the NSA information had no connection to any FISA warrant, Bongardt could talked part in any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi and if Corsi was still confused she could go to the NSA and get a release herself unaware that Corsi had already been given this release two days earlier.

FBI Agent Robert Fuller, an inexperienced FBI agent, who had never done any intelligence investigation, is given the intelligence investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. The EC to start this intelligence investigation is marked "Routine", the absolute lowest level of precedence in spite of the fact that Corsi had been told by FBI Agent Bongardt that it is obvious that these terrorists are inside of the US for no other reason than to carry out a horrific al Qaeda terrorist attack

August 30, 2001 - CIA sends the photograph of Walid Bin Attash, aka Khallad, to the FBI HQ and requests that it be given to Rod Middleton, Corsi’s supervisor. In spite of the fact that Middleton had been on the phone in a conference call with Corsi to Bongardt shutting down his investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, and had been at the meeting with Sherry Sabol, where Sabol told Corsi and Middleton that Bongardt could take part in any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi, and now had photographic proof that both Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing, Middleton, he never calls Bongardt back to allow him to start any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi.

September 5, 2001 - Robert Fuller calls FBI Agent Dina Corsi and tells him that he has gotten nowhere in his investigation to locate Mihdhar and Hazmi, and that he has failed to find any information in the FBI data base “Choicepoint” on Mihdhar or Hazmi. He requests that she give him permission to contact Saudi Arabian Airlines to get Mihdhar’s credit card number so he will have more to go on in the FBI data base. Corsi refuses to give Fuller permission even though she knows this will likely make his investigation fail to locate Mihdhar and Hazmi.

September 11, 2001 - Fuller had gotten nowhere by the time the attacks on the WTC towers take place. He and Bongardt are told shortly after this attack that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were on AA 77 that hit the Pentagon.

It is clear that Richard Blee, Cofer Black and George Tenet knew that the al Qaeda terrorists were just about to attack the US in the July 2001, knew this attack would kill thousands of Americans and still refused to give Tom Wilshire permission to give the Kula Lumpur information to the FBI. It is clear that Tom Wilshire was overseeing Corsi’s request to ask Donnachie for an intelligence investigation to head off any investigation by Steve Bongardt and his team, and had overseen Corsi’s work on her EC, even knowing that it specified “Routine” when both Corsi and Wilshire knew that these terrorists were inside of the US in order to carry out another al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands of Americans. It is also clear that Middleton had photographic proof that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing and still refused to give the FBI Cole bombing investigators permission to start a criminal investigation for these terrorists.

These actions taken together demonstrate that managers at the highest levels of the CIA and many FBI mangers, even high level managers at the FBI conspired to shut down FBI Agent Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi when they knew it would result in allowing the al Qaeda terrorists to murder thousands of Americans. This is further confirmed by the massive number of out and out lies given to the Joint Inquiry Committee investigation and even their public hearings, the 9/11 Commission investigation and their public hearings and even the DOJ IG investigators by these managers. Secrecy, concealment and lying are always prima facie proof in a court of law of nefarious motives.


They knew Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, and even knew they were here to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands of Americans. But instead of providing this information to the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing, and the information that these terrorists had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing, which by law they were required to do, they deliberately hid this information from these investigators, to hide the fact that they had criminally obstructed their investigation numerous times, to stay out of prison.

But what is more horrific is that they shut this investigation down on August 28, 2001, when they knew that the result would be that this would allow the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks that the CIA and FBI HQ had been warned about, the attacks that took place on 9/11. To stay out of prison they traded the lives of almost 3000 people, and then made sure this was all covered over by the several government investigations, by keeping secret much of their nefarious actions. But when you examine the information these investigations had in detail, it is impossible to believe that these investigations who were task with telling the American people the reasons the attacks on 9/11 took place, did not also actively participate to make sure the intentional and deliberate actions at the CIA and FBI HQ to allow these attacks was kept secret.

Critical information regarding the whereabouts of two known al Qaeda (linked to the USS Cole attack)terrorists witheld by the CIA and not passed on to the FBI.....amazing stuff really. Did the hierarchy and beneficiaries of American foreign policy really want another Pearl Harbour type attack , to fulfill their agenda...?

Of course they did. Its so fecking obvious i think even Sunset knows now!

Manxy its too much for their mind to handle. Give it time they might get a shocking awakening to how the world really works.

Well `outside job with inside help`. Did MOSSAD penetrate the terrorist cell and help with the planning. Who knows but what we do know is that the CIA allowed the attacks to happen.

thats quite clear angel.

and thats why they will stonewall inquisitive senators and any calls for a new enquiry with supoena powers.

it also explains why the 911 commision members have distanced themselves from the commissions final conclusions.

i think they fear criminal charges aswell, if an independent enqury is ever launched.


fog of events they call it.


Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.

Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources.

the revelation that it considered criminal referrals reveals how skeptically those reports were viewed by the panel and provides a glimpse of the tension between it and the Bush administration.

A Pentagon spokesman said yesterday that the inspector general's office will soon release a report addressing whether testimony delivered to the commission was "knowingly false.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html


In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.


9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php


thats just a small sample of what the hand picked by bush panel of commisioners are now claiming.


bush administration has gone i think they felt naked and are now covering their azzs atleast.


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What made you come to the conclusion WTC 7 was a natural collapse?

With NIST being an agency of the US Department of Commerce, i would asume possibilities of a further cover up are being favoured here. For a tower to collapse as it did is very unusual. Its an open mystery like much of the events of 9/11. Yet how can you have closure when you have neocon cover ups stone walling everything.

There are always ways and means Manxy. How do the high intellegence sgencies work unseen. There was prior knowledge as we know.

tthat doesnt mean they wired the biuldings with silent explosives, all that rubbish is a self perpetuating smoke screen to what really happened, and ive just shown you what really happened verifiable facts.

does it matter how the biuldings came down, no.
will it bring anyone back, no.

concentrate on the arguement you can win.

That is very true Manxy. The truth movement is like a therapy room. Is a never ending discussion of suspician and they are overnight experts on architecture, cloud seeding,HAARP,  banking, bloodlines etc.. Plenty of paranoia between the movemevt because of the disinfo agents which exist amongst them.

No you are right in saying concentrate on the true facts.

Is John Farmers book still for sale? do you know [;)]

these are the prosiac clues to the conspiracy.

I have an essay on this, well what was the cause for structural collapse. If I end it with G.W.B blew it up in his quest for oil I think I might fail

I just seen this thread, will take a look at it in more detail mate. I presume you dont buy the whole progressive collapse theory? I think some of the way things happened and the stories told after make it difficult to totally believe the progressive collapse theory. The structual inner core was not damaged so why did it fall. These are things I will look into but I dont think I can come up with anything to controversial

Gets bad reviews on Amazon.


http://www.amazon.com/Ground-Truth-Untold-America-Attack/product-reviews/1594488940/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar

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Manxy, some interesting reading there, but it's yet another version of events that contradicts all the other versions of events. That's the problem with conspiracy theories, each theory contradicts the one before it. Theorists tend to think that those who just plainly believe it happened as reported are closed minded fools who lack the intelligence to absorb the 'evidence' but I believe the opposite and that generally speaking I find theorists to be the close minded ones because they believe they 'know the truth' because they saw a few YouTube videos... This I find hilarious as how is YouTube and similar sites any more or less truthful than conventional news services? Am talking theorists in general here, not yourself as that is my experiences debating this issue with people I know.

What you have posted is most possible no doubt and the most plausible of the theories I have read, but I'm still not sold yet. I will open myself up to criticism here (heard it all before so let rip if you must) and say that I simply believe in certain human natures and also that this conspiracy is too big to pull off. Those allegedly involved did not go down these career paths to commit mass murder on their own citizens, they did so because they believed in protecting their citizens. I can accept that along the way some are twisted or become disenchanted, but I just don't see for a start how you go about recruiting the amount of people required for an operation such as this for a start (how do you start that conversation? - Hey Bob, instead of saving some folks how bout we kill a few thousand for something different to break the boredom yeah?...) and that in the 10 years since that not one has been effected by guilt to the point of confessing. These people are exactly that - people, not monsters or robots and if it were true it would have surfaced by now, the truth generally does. I cannot get past this and don't ever hear theorists discussing or exploring these kinds of ideas - which are my ideas, most theorists just regurgitate things they have read or watched on the internet and only see what they want to believe.

This will be debated for years to come and perhaps we will never know definitively, but until it is proven definitively, I will stay on this side of the fence. As far as theories go however, yours is the leader in the clubhouse for mine, I will give you that.

CIA had been tracking a lead terrorist but decided to allow the terrorist into the the US ( check out Operation Able Danger ), but somehow failed to intercept on 9/11.

A trillion dollar air defence system failed 4 times on the same day!

Terrorist disasters seem to happen even after a huge amount of intelligence has been collected/monitored by experts..And at the official inquiry, Communication breakdown is given as the reason. Seems to me not a lot of effort was put into preventing 9/11. It looked tragically spectacular but it is highly probable the Secret Service was expecting it.

i just don't know