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By:
slartybartfast
When: 04 Sep 10 00:55
"Various beliefs can be implanted in many people after the brain has been sufficiently, disturbed by accidentally or deliberately induced fear, anger, or excitement. Of the results caused by such disturbances, the most common one is temporarily impaired judgement and heightened suggestibility. Its various group manifestations are sometime classed under the heading of "herd instinct" and appear most spectacularly in war time, during severe epidemics and in all periods of common danger which increase anxiety and individual and mass suggestibility."
- Dr. William Sargant, Battle for the Mind (1957)

"Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
- Mark Twain, The Chronicle of Young Satan

"All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
—Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
By:
Brodie
When: 04 Sep 10 00:58
yes
By:
slartybartfast
When: 04 Sep 10 01:05
agreed
By:
slartybartfast
When: 04 Sep 10 01:32
The revealing history of the Bush family:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkojpgNZD9I&feature=related
By:
slartybartfast
When: 04 Sep 10 01:33
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youtube.com/watch?v=hkojpgNZD9I
By:
MM1sapr1ck
When: 04 Sep 10 03:18
Ive looked at the video from the hotel and you see smoke but before that you see something appear out of no where and head towards it BUT it just appears in the middle of the screen not coming from the side? So it looks faked to me
By:
slartybartfast
When: 04 Sep 10 08:50
For anyone who thinks no plane hit the Pentagon:

http://arcterus911.blogspot.com/2009/03/911-hoaxes-no-plane-hit-pentagon.html
By:
slartybartfast
When: 04 Sep 10 08:50
.
arcterus911.blogspot.com/2009/03/
911-hoaxes-no-plane-hit-pentagon.html
By:
slartybartfast
When: 04 Sep 10 08:51
^ join these two lines of address together
By:
orioles
When: 04 Sep 10 08:53
Oh man, I see 2,000 here Happy

It's mine, MINE, I TELL YOU!
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 11:29
Orioles
Would you like to comment on the observations,highlighted above,made by Mark Twain and Adolf Hitler,and it's relation to(or not) the 9/11 "conspiracy"?
Surely,this is a chance for someone with a towering intellect,like you,to come to the fore and educate the likes of me.
Or you could continue to pop up now and again with a little "funny" every couple of days.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 16:13
Gene people like Orioles refuse to bend!

The history of the `origins of wars` tell us that when the war mongering global elite want to take the next stage of a controlling and profitable `Agenda` they orchestrate a situation to CON the public into believing that the war war is for `the good of the people`.

I think every independant journalist who has researched the `origins of war` will confirm this.
As a retired GP and now recognised author on the origins of war told me, `Only about 200 `elitist` people rule this world, just imagine how it could have been if they where good men`... food for thought..
By:
orioles
When: 04 Sep 10 16:19
Have you a single, novel thought rattling around in that head, GH?

It never ceases to amaze me that people claiming to have insight denied the rest of us, will endlessly reference the proclamations of other people, often out of context and almost always without any understanding of that person's work. Frequently, even the provenance is dubious, or merely wrong. That your friend chooses a twit, a Freemason (shudder), and Hitler (yikes), is at least funny enough to warrant a reply.

The quotes posted above, with the hopeful flourish of a twelve year old who got a magic set for Christmas, add precisely nothing to the case for the murder of thousands of people being a plot by sinister agencies.

The idea that people are prone to hysterical suggestion, and will believe any old tripe, no matter how unsupported, is perfectly well revealed by the assorted posters on here endlessly regurgitating material they've seen on websites run by people who care nothing for real probative value or integrity, but who do believe variously in; holograms, global conspiracies involving vast numbers of people, and the willingness of government to eschew dubious politicking in order to go to war, in favour of mass murder. The anti-semitic tone of much of the material hardly lends it any intellectual piquancy.

If you want me to be engaged, you need to convince me you can read something other than the inane ramblings of people like David Icke and Erich Von Daniken without voiding your bladder in excited terror.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 16:25
Operation Norhwoods Orioles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Wake up man!
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 16:26
*Northwoods
By:
orioles
When: 04 Sep 10 16:28
Oh FFS.

As if MORE proof were needed.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 16:29
Why dont you recognise False Flag attacks Orioles? are you in denial?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 16:31
AS you notice Operation Northwood is recognised on Wikipedia.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 16:34
Or are you one of them crazy conspiracists that dont believe the Wiki info? Laugh
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 16:38
I dont expect a reply because as we all know, the unclassified information regarding Operation Northwood carries all the weight required to suggest the the US Government would actually `terrorise` its own people.
By:
flatliner
When: 04 Sep 10 17:58
C4 tonight 7.00pm, Channel 4 in on it as well Laugh
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 18:41
They are all `gagged` from challenging the officail line.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 19:58
Orioles
Well,your petulant rant is better than your usual response to be fair.
I'm not sure whether you agree with what Hitler said.
As I understand it,he was alluding to governments/authorities in his suggestion
about the degree and nature of lying.
But,you managed to ignore that and turn it round somehow.
By:
MM1sapr1ck
When: 04 Sep 10 20:07
Im watching C4+1 and theres a program on now about it
By:
MM1sapr1ck
When: 04 Sep 10 20:18
Cant help but laugh at the girl screamingoh my god im getting out of here when the second one hit, She was miles away LaughLaugh
By:
Pandorica
When: 04 Sep 10 20:36
On page 31 of this thread I mentioned that a group that has David Ray Griffin as a leading light was in trouble, given the despicable manipulation of witness statements in his book 'Pearl Harbour Revisited'.

If I'd known Hitler was going to put in an appearance I'd have hung fire. We have a new low. Delivered with no sense of irony, it has a kind of warped genius to it. You'd want to quote Hitler as your expert witness wouldn't you - there's a guy well known for great decisions under pressure and a rational view of the world.

I feel your pain Orioles. There seems little hope at the moment that a certain proportion of the population will ever emerge from this strange self-confirming world in which they live.

I think I'll throw a quote in:

Douglas Adams
Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?

Sometimes things really are exactly as they appear. They don't need to come with fantasy attached.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 20:51
Pandorica
Can you tell me why Hitler shouldn't be quoted?
Is it not true what he said?
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 20:59
....and let me get this right Pandorica:
You are criticising people for quoting Hitler,someone who was probably well placed to make an informed opinion on the nature of lying and deception,and go on to quote Douglas Adams,that well known authority on such matters and writer of a famous BBC radio comedy.
And you have the cheek to talk about irony.
By:
masher
When: 04 Sep 10 22:23
As I understand it,he was alluding to governments/authorities in his suggestion about the degree and nature of lying.

Nope.


Pandorica
Can you tell me why Hitler shouldn't be quoted?


There's a big clue in

You'd want to quote Hitler as your expert witness wouldn't you - there's a guy well known for great decisions under pressure and a rational view of the world.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 22:25
Nope masher?
What was he alluding to then?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 22:26
Operation Northwood Pandorica?

The self-confirming world that you accuse us of living in, is actually confirmed documentation my friend.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 04 Sep 10 22:28
Was 'Operation Northwood' ever given serious consideration by the US Presidency?
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 22:30
They rejected Northwoods.

Gulf of Tonkin.
That happened Sparky.

The Gliewitz incident.
That happened too.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 04 Sep 10 22:31
But was it ever given serious consideration?
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 22:34
I don't know how seriously they considered it,and either do you.
I know someone high enough in the US government to be able to suggest such an idea,considered it worth suggesting though.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 04 Sep 10 22:37
How high up would you have to be to suggest this rejected idea? I mean I could suggest it and I'm not even IN the US government!

Fair play though, it IS an excellent example of the US government wanting nothing to do with false flag operations.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 22:40
What was the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964 then?
Was that not a false flag op?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 04 Sep 10 22:40
Journalist James Bamford summarized Operation Northwoods in his April 24, 2001 book Body of Secrets:

Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.[18
By:
Pandorica
When: 04 Sep 10 22:40
Last 6 posts - an exercise in confirmation bias.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 22:42
Pandy
Are you going to tell me why Hitler shouldn't be quoted or not?
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