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9/11 was it a conspiracy?

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By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 20:12
No, I don't think so. I doubt they would have had any pointing upwards. Any not pointing down would have only a tiny chance of catching the split second before impact.

But even if you disagree, what are you suggesting?
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 20:52
Sparky
The plane was only flying very low(obviously)before it smashed into the side of the Pentagon.You wouldn't need cameras pointing skywards or downwards to capture it.
Just ask yourself this:
If a 757 flies down The Mall at 500mph at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning and hits The Queens front door,do you think a decent quality piece of footage would be on the TV news within hours?
Please,a simple yes or no will do.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 20:57
No.

It was flying very low IMMEDIATELY before it hit but had previously dived sharply.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Sep 10 21:15
We are not talking about trying to see a bullet from a gun here. We are talking about a 757 flying into one of the most security concious buildings on the planet. Yet we have no footage. New York had been attacked already by aircraft. Yet we seem to have no recorded  surveillance on this particular attack!!
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 21:22
'New York had been attacked already by aircraft.'

I like that.
"A plane's crashed into the WTC!"
"Quick, set all the cameras to point up! That'll stop them!"
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 21:39
Sparky
If no images were captured by those inefficient and wrongly positioned cameras,why were they confiscated by the US authorities?
Why not just say "Sparky and Sunset told us that those cameras wont show anything, so we don't need to show you"
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 22:00
I'm sure plenty of images were captured by those cameras, just not of the plane (except of course for the one that did). They BELONG to the authorities, they've no need to confiscate them! And I've no idea why you'd call them inefficient and wrongly positioned - I've never heard of a security camera set-up where the cameras point at the sky!

"Did we get any CCTV footage of the men trying to break in?"
"No...thing is, we assumed they were going to parachute in..."
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 22:14
They belong to the authorities?
So,if you have a shop with a cctv camera outside,that footage belongs to the government does it?

(except of course for the one that did)
If you genuinely think that looks like a plane -and I'm still not convinced you really do - then there is no hope for you.
If you had been shown that footage without being aware of it's relevance would you find yourself saying "hang on a minute....that puff of smoke from the right of the picture....that looks like a Boeing 757 to me!!"
No,you wouldn't.And you know it.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Sep 10 22:17
Well Sparky

It must be just me then. I would have thought that the Pentagon might have had something different than my local Ladbrokes. Silly me.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 22:19
Yes, the Pentagon's cameras, which we were discussing, belong to the authorities.

I'd not be sure what the released footage was of, if viewed alone without other information. I like the idea though, that in trying to convince the world that the Pentagon had been hit by a plane, the government faked a video that didn't look convincingly like a plane!
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 22:35
They confiscated footage from a garage and a hotel.That doesn't belong to the government.
They've no need to make things too obvious Sparky,after all there are millions like you that think a puff of smoke is a plane!
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 22:36
I note again you're making false claims about my beliefs. It adds nothing to your credibility. A crashed plane would likely give off smoke is my opinion.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 22:38
I'd have thought that too Angel. They're very different places. In fact, I would imagine EVERYONE would think that, so no idea why you would mention it.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 22:41
I assumed that the plane you claim you saw was the puff of smoke at the left of the footage?
Are you saying that isn't the reason you thought it was a plane,and that "a crashed plane would likely give off smoke" is the reason you thought it was a plane?
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 22:43
Sorry.At the RIGHT of the footage.
By:
masher
When: 03 Sep 10 22:53
They confiscated footage from a garage and a hotel.That doesn't belong to the government

Yeah, and they were released. They show nothing.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 22:58
masher
That link didn't work,so I went to 9/11 myths and had a look myself.
It says nothing about anything being released.
By:
masher
When: 03 Sep 10 23:05
http://www.911myths.com/index.php
/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 23:11
That doesn't show any footage from the Pentagon masher.
It recites all the stuff I read on here all the time,but shows no footage at all.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 23:13
No, Gene.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 23:18
Just show me the released footage that doesn't show the plane.
Let's see it.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 23:20
?
By:
masher
When: 03 Sep 10 23:22
That doesn't show any footage from the Pentagon masher.
It recites all the stuff I read on here all the time,but shows no footage at all.


FFS, do I have to to it all for you? Can't you google Citgo video and  Doubletree Hotel video and find it for yourself?
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 23:22
Masher says that footage was released and it shows nothing.
Let's see it.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 23:34
Ok masher,done it.
The citgo one showed nothing because it was just trained on the shop and forecourt.
The Hotel one was 22seconds long and showed smoke from The Pentagon.It showed nothing from before that.
Is that what's convinced you?
Of 85 apparent pieces of footage they released that,and that's what convinced you?
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 23:38
85? Crikey, and we were being told there was none.

For me though, I was convinced by the missing plane, the people seeing that plane hit the building, and the body parts and pieces of place found at the scene.

If there's a more plausible explanation, then by all means let's hear it!
By:
masher
When: 03 Sep 10 23:39
Convince me of what? That a plane crashed there? I don't need a video to convince me of that. There's plenty of other evidence.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 23:42
You are being disingeuous again Sparky.Nobody said that there was no footage.
They said there's no footage that shows any plane.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 23:48
sparkmaster. Joined: 07 Aug 01
For me though, I was convinced by the missing plane, the people seeing that etc etc

masher Joined: 26 May 03
I don't need a video to convince me of that. There's plenty of other evidence.




I shall take your replies as a sign that you have given up on the lack of cctv footage thing.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 03 Sep 10 23:51
Yeah, as I've said, I don't think it at all surprising there's not much CCTV footage.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 03 Sep 10 23:59
You do know,Sparky,that the day will come,eventually,when you will think to yourself "How did I ever think that the 9/11 official story was ever true?"
It might take 20 years,but it will come.
Goodnight.
By:
masher
When: 03 Sep 10 23:59
I shall take your replies as a sign that you have given up on the lack of cctv footage thing.

Take mine as more than a sign. However, I am deeply concerned about the lack of video of American Airlines Flight 587 crashing in Queens, New York. Apparently, this is the only video of it

http://www.911myths.com/index.php
/American_Airlines_Flight_587
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 00:08
masher
I've just watched a video of that plane on the Hudson and it shows clearly what happened.No doubt about it.
Perhaps there are more cameras trained on the Hudson river and surrounding areas than there are on The Pentagon?
By:
masher
When: 04 Sep 10 00:12
Perhaps there are more cameras trained on the Hudson river and surrounding areas than there are on The Pentagon?

Or Queens.
By:
mr winkle
When: 04 Sep 10 00:12
So, who did it ?
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 04 Sep 10 00:22
Night Gene, I'm still with the 'masses' though. Normal people are OK IMO.
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 00:23
masher
So,you think that because there isn't footage of a plane crashing - completely unexpectedly - in a largely residential area,with no military sensitivity in that location to warrant a large number of cctv cameras,that there also should be no footage of a plane,that's been hijacked,which the authorities strongly suspect might be used in a suicide mission(because 40 mins earlier 2 other hijacked planes had been used in that way)and is heading towards one of the most militarily and politically sensitive buildings in the world.
Is that the comparison you're making?
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 04 Sep 10 00:25
Night Gene
By:
Gene Hackman
When: 04 Sep 10 00:25
Goodnight all.
By:
sparkmaster.
When: 04 Sep 10 00:27
Night Gene

I'll be around for an hour or so yet.
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