Forums
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 723 comments are related to the topic:
Snooker discussion: Putting topspin on a cueball

Post your reply

Text Format: Table: Smilies:
Forum does not support HTML
Insert Photo
Cancel
Page 13 of 19  •  Previous | 1 | ... | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | ... | 19 | Next
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 723
By:
Pokermonster
When: 03 Oct 12 12:37
Sorry to be rude, AG, but I have to leave now.

Very nice chatting to you as always.  Good bye, sir.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Oct 12 12:40
It was the 3rd stage of the drag shot i was referring to. My natural cuing action was to cue very low down, as Jimmy White does. I used a lot of drag. The problem with this way of addressing the ball is that you are perhaps more liable to add side to the cue ball and sending it off line.

What do you think PM?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Oct 12 12:40
Another time PM.
By:
blackburn1
When: 03 Oct 12 13:05
gabrial, all good players cue low down, the cue must be horizontal to the bed. The bridge hand raises according to where you are striking the cue ball.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Oct 12 13:09
Some cue much lower than normal though Blacky.

If you take Jimmy he is extremely low, but he gets the action on the white ball.

Look at Hendry and he is aiming as low down the cue ball. Hence he needs more effort for cue ball action.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Oct 12 13:10
Some cue much lower than normal though Blacky.

If you take Jimmy he is extremely low, but he gets the action on the white ball.

Look at Hendry and he is not aiming as low down the cue ball. Hence he needs more effort for cue ball action.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Oct 12 13:11
I am talking about the players normal approach to the cue ball. Where they cue naturally.
By:
blackburn1
When: 03 Oct 12 13:15
Yes, Jimmy addressed the ball very low and feathered it a lot too. He is a year older than me and was my hero, I once played Tony Meo.

O'Sullivan is comfortably the best player I've seen, his ball striking is so pure. He's the only one in the last ten years I'd be bothered to watch tbh. The fat lad Lee is another beautiful player in terms of smoothness of strike.

I never liked Parrott, he seemed to blast everything
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 15:30
Hello gentlemen.

Yes, AG, a player could be prone to impart a trace of unwanted sidespin when striking low on the cueball.  The reason for this, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, is because such action is far more readily applied below the white's centre of mass.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 15:36
On the subject of the game's greatest exponents, three-cushion-billiards is the most beautiful and elegant of all cue sports in my opinion.  Aside from the obvious method of ball to cushion to cushion to cushion to ball a viable cannon can also be achieved by striking one or more of the required three cushions before your cueball makes contact with the object ball. In other words, your cueball could strike cushion one, cushion two, cushion three, and then the object balls immediately after one another and this still counts as a scoring visit.

Here's a clip of the late, great Sang Lee scoring a remarkable 29 in just two innings. Truly a billiard genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxrWpRlN9Y4&feature=related

Anybody new to three-cushion-billiards who watches the clip posted above would be forgiven in thinking the game was easy.  I'm a big admirer of Rocket Ronnie's formidable prowess on the green baize; he's the best snooker player there has ever been in my personal opinion.  Fantastically gifted.  Believe me when I tell you, however, Mr Lee's skill overshadows Ronnie O'Sullivan's talents by some margin.
By:
Angry Monkey
When: 05 Oct 12 15:42
Hi guys, I understand that you can't make the ball spin forwards faster than it is travelling along the surface, but then what is the force making the ball act differently by hitting it at the top?

Is it the mass at the top setting off before the mass at the bottom of the ball and hence changing the centre of gravity or somesuch?

Apologies if this has already been answered, I couldn't find it.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 15:48
Good afternoon, AM.

It is covered in some depth earlier in the thread, sir.  If you could find an hour or so to have a read through I think you might find some interesting little snippets of information that can help one's game.  It is rather lengthy, though, so it's understandable if you don't have the time.

Essentially, the only reason to strike the cueball above centre is to start it off rolling naturally, as opposed to sliding or backspinning.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 15:51
Sorry, I didn't answer you question directly. 

It is friction.   A physical force that resists the relative motion or tendency to such motion of two bodies or substances in contact.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 15:57
That should read "your question" of course.  My apologies.  Damn, how I hate making typo errors!
By:
Angry Monkey
When: 05 Oct 12 16:11
Yes, I know how tiresome it can be when someone walks in half way and asks a question that has already been addressed. Apologies.

I will try and find it.

So the difference between the resting places of the balls after identical shots are made, one with top spin and one his dead centre is that the centrally hit ball slides for all or part of the distance?


Do you still have people disagreeing with this, or have the majority come round to your explanation?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 16:20
I'm not sure if the majority who disagreed with me earlier in the thread (quite forcibly in certain cases) have changed their minds, sir, but I think it is fair to claim that some are now of a different opinion.
By:
patrick starr
When: 05 Oct 12 16:32
Poker apologies again if this scenario has been dealt with earlier.

If topspin cannot be imparted,how do you explain the shot where the object ball is tight to a cushion,you strike the white ball hard,throwing the object ball off the cushion,the white ball strikes the same cushion,following the impact with object ball,and bananas back on to the cushion it has just struck,surely only topspin can cause the banana effect?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 16:38
That particular scenario has cropped up rather frequently, Patrick! Happy

Don't worry though, sir, I realise it has grown into a very long thread and it is tiresome to trawl all the way through to find an answer.  The banana stroke to which you allude is actually an incidence of backspin, not overspin (topspin).  The cueball's forward momentum going into the cushion makes it backspin upon leaving it, time and time again on some occasions.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Oct 12 16:41
I must leave now, gentlemen.

Thank you very much for your company this afternoon.
By:
patrick starr
When: 05 Oct 12 16:43
hmm,will have to think about that one PM,thanks for answering a much asked question without getting antsy though Happy
By:
Angry Monkey
When: 05 Oct 12 16:46
Thank you, enjoy your evening.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 05 Oct 12 16:48
When I play, the cue ball definitely moves forward when I strike it above centre (after it hits the object ball Happy)

I guess these techniques work better with the fine cloths the pros play on and of course, the better the player
By:
Pokermonster
When: 27 Oct 12 16:34
IAWN.

Yes, sir, but this is just caused by its natural forward roll and not an example of overspin of any kind.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 05 Dec 12 02:45
Resurrected for the UK championships.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 09 Dec 12 11:20
Could you post your question here:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?board=12.0

If it confuses Chit Chat, think how many heads you'll pickle with the boffins.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 16:08
Good afternoon, Ovalman.  It's already been done, sir.


Whilst in New York, I was browsing a science forum on the internet.  Boring I know, but there you go.  Anyway, imagine my surprise when I discovered a thread with the title Snooker Discussion : Putting Topspin on a Cueball.  Upon opening, I found it was an exact copy of this thread.  A poster going by the name of Snooker Loopy had cut and pasted my posts on to the science forum and passed them off as his own!

Here's the link:

http://www.thescienceforum.com/physics/22657-snooker-discussion-putting-topspin-cueball.html

I regret to report that the good folks of The Science Forum were also unenlightened in the ways of topspin.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 16:21
Stephen Hendry made a woefully inaccurate claim during commentary at last week's UK championship.  It was so annoying, I had to switch over to Eurosport.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 10 Dec 12 16:39
Pokermonster

Hello sir, Yes i also picked up on Hendry and his inaccurate claim. In showing a slow motion of a two tone cue ball( i think it was two tone, or spotted. )he was explaining the motion of a drag shot. In explaining the transformation of motion from reverse roll to forward roll. He made the comment that the cue ball transfers into `top spin`. When of course it is only forward roll.

Not a great ambassador for accurate cue ball motion knowledge.Crazy
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 10 Dec 12 16:48
Pokermonster

Hello sir, Yes i also picked up on Hendry and his inaccurate claim. In showing a slow motion of a two tone cue ball( i think it was two tone, or spotted. )he was explaining the motion of a drag shot. In explaining the transformation of motion from slide to forward roll. He made the comment that the cue ball transfers into `top spin`. When of course it is only forward roll.

Not a great ambassador for accurate cue ball motion knowledge.Crazy
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 19:02
Good evening, AG.

I actually missed that one, sir, so that makes two errors from the great man!  I was referring to a comment he made about topspin making the cueball spin forwards.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 10 Dec 12 19:06
Pokermonster

I feel that you are the man to address this with Hendry and the rest of the commentary box. They know you and trust you. The time is right.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 19:10
I did, AG!

I sent a comprehensive and erudite email to snooker@bbc.co.uk and they had the downright temerity to ignore it.
By:
Nilsson Schmilsson
When: 10 Dec 12 19:11
rishi 'ritchie' persad's head might have exploded if he'd read it
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 10 Dec 12 19:24
The BBC are not interested in reporting the truth.

Pokermonster - I live in Sheffield and had the opportunity to chat to Rishi last year. I will approach him again at the Crucible once again but this time i will educate him on the `top spin` mythology.

This knowledge could ruin his career if the likes of Hendry are ignorant to the facts.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 19:30
Excellent AG!

Please tell him to mention me on air.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 10 Dec 12 19:41
As Pokermonster?

On your EMail did you divulge your real identity?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 19:43
Yep, as Pokermonster, please.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 19:44
Pokermonster from Betfair Chit Chat. Happy  And tell him to read this thread.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 10 Dec 12 19:46
Perhaps they could get Steve Davis to try out the blue ball experiment?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 10 Dec 12 19:49
I will pitch myself outside the Crucible in April and petition this thread Pokermonster.

I actually spoke to him about Frankel last year and nothing about snooker. This year i will give him the knowledge to challenge Hendry, Davis, The Darling of Dublin, Scouse, Dennis, Mumbles and Tash.
Page 13 of 19  •  Previous | 1 | ... | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | ... | 19 | Next
sort by:
Show
per page

Post your reply

Text Format: Table: Smilies:
Forum does not support HTML
Insert Photo
Cancel
‹ back to topics
www.betfair.com