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Sorry to be rude, AG, but I have to leave now.
Very nice chatting to you as always. Good bye, sir. |
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It was the 3rd stage of the drag shot i was referring to. My natural cuing action was to cue very low down, as Jimmy White does. I used a lot of drag. The problem with this way of addressing the ball is that you are perhaps more liable to add side to the cue ball and sending it off line.
What do you think PM? |
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Another time PM.
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gabrial, all good players cue low down, the cue must be horizontal to the bed. The bridge hand raises according to where you are striking the cue ball.
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Some cue much lower than normal though Blacky.
If you take Jimmy he is extremely low, but he gets the action on the white ball. Look at Hendry and he is aiming as low down the cue ball. Hence he needs more effort for cue ball action. |
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Some cue much lower than normal though Blacky.
If you take Jimmy he is extremely low, but he gets the action on the white ball. Look at Hendry and he is not aiming as low down the cue ball. Hence he needs more effort for cue ball action. |
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I am talking about the players normal approach to the cue ball. Where they cue naturally.
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Yes, Jimmy addressed the ball very low and feathered it a lot too. He is a year older than me and was my hero, I once played Tony Meo.
O'Sullivan is comfortably the best player I've seen, his ball striking is so pure. He's the only one in the last ten years I'd be bothered to watch tbh. The fat lad Lee is another beautiful player in terms of smoothness of strike. I never liked Parrott, he seemed to blast everything |
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Hello gentlemen.
Yes, AG, a player could be prone to impart a trace of unwanted sidespin when striking low on the cueball. The reason for this, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, is because such action is far more readily applied below the white's centre of mass. |
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On the subject of the game's greatest exponents, three-cushion-billiards is the most beautiful and elegant of all cue sports in my opinion. Aside from the obvious method of ball to cushion to cushion to cushion to ball a viable cannon can also be achieved by striking one or more of the required three cushions before your cueball makes contact with the object ball. In other words, your cueball could strike cushion one, cushion two, cushion three, and then the object balls immediately after one another and this still counts as a scoring visit.
Here's a clip of the late, great Sang Lee scoring a remarkable 29 in just two innings. Truly a billiard genius. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxrWpRlN9Y4&feature=related Anybody new to three-cushion-billiards who watches the clip posted above would be forgiven in thinking the game was easy. I'm a big admirer of Rocket Ronnie's formidable prowess on the green baize; he's the best snooker player there has ever been in my personal opinion. Fantastically gifted. Believe me when I tell you, however, Mr Lee's skill overshadows Ronnie O'Sullivan's talents by some margin. |
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Hi guys, I understand that you can't make the ball spin forwards faster than it is travelling along the surface, but then what is the force making the ball act differently by hitting it at the top?
Is it the mass at the top setting off before the mass at the bottom of the ball and hence changing the centre of gravity or somesuch? Apologies if this has already been answered, I couldn't find it. |
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Good afternoon, AM.
It is covered in some depth earlier in the thread, sir. If you could find an hour or so to have a read through I think you might find some interesting little snippets of information that can help one's game. It is rather lengthy, though, so it's understandable if you don't have the time. Essentially, the only reason to strike the cueball above centre is to start it off rolling naturally, as opposed to sliding or backspinning. |
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Sorry, I didn't answer you question directly.
It is friction. A physical force that resists the relative motion or tendency to such motion of two bodies or substances in contact. |
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That should read "your question" of course. My apologies. Damn, how I hate making typo errors!
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Yes, I know how tiresome it can be when someone walks in half way and asks a question that has already been addressed. Apologies.
I will try and find it. So the difference between the resting places of the balls after identical shots are made, one with top spin and one his dead centre is that the centrally hit ball slides for all or part of the distance? Do you still have people disagreeing with this, or have the majority come round to your explanation? |
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I'm not sure if the majority who disagreed with me earlier in the thread (quite forcibly in certain cases) have changed their minds, sir, but I think it is fair to claim that some are now of a different opinion.
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Poker apologies again if this scenario has been dealt with earlier.
If topspin cannot be imparted,how do you explain the shot where the object ball is tight to a cushion,you strike the white ball hard,throwing the object ball off the cushion,the white ball strikes the same cushion,following the impact with object ball,and bananas back on to the cushion it has just struck,surely only topspin can cause the banana effect? |
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That particular scenario has cropped up rather frequently, Patrick!
![]() Don't worry though, sir, I realise it has grown into a very long thread and it is tiresome to trawl all the way through to find an answer. The banana stroke to which you allude is actually an incidence of backspin, not overspin (topspin). The cueball's forward momentum going into the cushion makes it backspin upon leaving it, time and time again on some occasions. |
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I must leave now, gentlemen.
Thank you very much for your company this afternoon. |
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hmm,will have to think about that one PM,thanks for answering a much asked question without getting antsy though
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Thank you, enjoy your evening.
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When I play, the cue ball definitely moves forward when I strike it above centre (after it hits the object ball
)I guess these techniques work better with the fine cloths the pros play on and of course, the better the player |
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IAWN.
Yes, sir, but this is just caused by its natural forward roll and not an example of overspin of any kind. |
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Resurrected for the UK championships.
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Could you post your question here:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?board=12.0 If it confuses Chit Chat, think how many heads you'll pickle with the boffins. |
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Good afternoon, Ovalman. It's already been done, sir.
Whilst in New York, I was browsing a science forum on the internet. Boring I know, but there you go. Anyway, imagine my surprise when I discovered a thread with the title Snooker Discussion : Putting Topspin on a Cueball. Upon opening, I found it was an exact copy of this thread. A poster going by the name of Snooker Loopy had cut and pasted my posts on to the science forum and passed them off as his own! Here's the link: http://www.thescienceforum.com/physics/22657-snooker-discussion-putting-topspin-cueball.html I regret to report that the good folks of The Science Forum were also unenlightened in the ways of topspin. |
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Stephen Hendry made a woefully inaccurate claim during commentary at last week's UK championship. It was so annoying, I had to switch over to Eurosport.
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Pokermonster
Hello sir, Yes i also picked up on Hendry and his inaccurate claim. In showing a slow motion of a two tone cue ball( i think it was two tone, or spotted. )he was explaining the motion of a drag shot. In explaining the transformation of motion from reverse roll to forward roll. He made the comment that the cue ball transfers into `top spin`. When of course it is only forward roll. Not a great ambassador for accurate cue ball motion knowledge. ![]() |
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Pokermonster
Hello sir, Yes i also picked up on Hendry and his inaccurate claim. In showing a slow motion of a two tone cue ball( i think it was two tone, or spotted. )he was explaining the motion of a drag shot. In explaining the transformation of motion from slide to forward roll. He made the comment that the cue ball transfers into `top spin`. When of course it is only forward roll. Not a great ambassador for accurate cue ball motion knowledge. ![]() |
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Good evening, AG.
I actually missed that one, sir, so that makes two errors from the great man! I was referring to a comment he made about topspin making the cueball spin forwards. |
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Pokermonster
I feel that you are the man to address this with Hendry and the rest of the commentary box. They know you and trust you. The time is right. |
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I did, AG!
I sent a comprehensive and erudite email to snooker@bbc.co.uk and they had the downright temerity to ignore it. |
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rishi 'ritchie' persad's head might have exploded if he'd read it
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The BBC are not interested in reporting the truth.
Pokermonster - I live in Sheffield and had the opportunity to chat to Rishi last year. I will approach him again at the Crucible once again but this time i will educate him on the `top spin` mythology. This knowledge could ruin his career if the likes of Hendry are ignorant to the facts. |
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Excellent AG!
Please tell him to mention me on air. |
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As Pokermonster?
On your EMail did you divulge your real identity? |
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Yep, as Pokermonster, please.
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Pokermonster from Betfair Chit Chat.
And tell him to read this thread. |
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Perhaps they could get Steve Davis to try out the blue ball experiment?
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I will pitch myself outside the Crucible in April and petition this thread Pokermonster.
I actually spoke to him about Frankel last year and nothing about snooker. This year i will give him the knowledge to challenge Hendry, Davis, The Darling of Dublin, Scouse, Dennis, Mumbles and Tash. |