I work in a lot of the major city's and liverpool city centre is much improved , most of the folk around there are great but the exception are those under 25 , there's a lot of really bad young uns growing up there especially teenagers , non of them work , a lot are involved in drugs and they have no fear or respect at all.

No worries - I as just trying to get a rise out of you. ;)

As I said before, I've liked most of the scousers I've met.

*One gets far more

Andy,

They had 95 bodies that could be checked quite easily for alcohol.

look i dont think the hillsboro discussion has anything to do with what this thread was meant to be about. fact is, imvho, hillsboro was caused by apalling policing and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to learn more about what really happened.

England as a whole is known for being moaners and full of self pity. Everyone has got their opinions about other countries too. All French are not bottlers and they all don't go round in berets. All Australians don't have barbies and play the didgeridoo. All Americans aren't stupid and own guns. And all Russians are in the KGB. Anybody who generalises against a nation or a city are just showing their ignorance and opinions don't count in my opinion. Lets open a thread about black people and see how long it lasts. Would you all have such opinions then? My experience of Liverpool is a positive one although I can't profess to be an expert, but I'd wager that its no better or worse than other inner cities I have visited.

It is very obvious that you have a view of the city that you formed before arriving, and have spent your time there looking for reasons to justify those views. 'Look and you will find' is what I said earlier in the thread.
WRONG - I was open-minded having never even visited here.

For example, in your last response, you said "the general feeling and attitude of aggression is palpable". From that, I take it that you mean that everywhere you go you feel that people are being aggressive towards you. So you are a victim of aggression. Do you have a victim culture? It looks to me like you do. [I note that you say crime and aggression are everywhere, but you have not said how many times you have been the victim of crime, or how many times you have been the victim of assault.
WRONG - As I mentioned earlier in this thread - I have personally witnessed crime on 3 occasions in my first couple of years here.

"The community only getting together after some sort of disaster of varying scale. "
No. You only see the community getting together after a large event. Communities bond together in much less open ways, that you obviously don't (want to) see. You obviosly don't know any locals closely, as you never get past the opening gambit of talking about football, which is a universal conversation opener. Maybe if you got to know people better, they would actually have a meaningful conversation with you? But you would have to get down off your high horse for that.....
WRONG - I'm not on any horse, high or otherwise

"I have never come across any other place where it's inhabitants so often need to ask me what I think of it".
People who never leave one place always ask what an outsider thinks of their home city. If you are as well travelled as you say, you would know this (2 weeks on the Costa Brava isn't travelling btw).
Now you're starting to get unnecessarily personal. and you're still WRONG

"Successions of workmen we have employed have ALL been useless in some way, and there is an air of laziness about the whole place."
So, your company produces second rate products, and it is the lazy workmen's fault. How long have you had this blame culture? Is it just you, or does the blame culture extend through the whole company?
You've now lost the thread completely - I don't have a blame culture, and don't actually need to explain myself to you, you could - (but it's unlikely as you seem to be taking this so fecking personally) take what I've written at face-value.

So, to sum up, you have a victim and a blame culture. See - it's easy to see what you want to see when wearing blinkers.
WRONG and total bolllox

As an aside, your complaint about the succession of lazy, bad workers. Have you ever considered that there is a weakness in your business? That weakness appears to be in the recruitment process that has continually produced low quality applicants. But...but,....but. Yes I know. You say you had 2 businesses. Did they go bust by any chance?
NO and I'm talking about crap workman in my house, nothing to do with business. Liverpool would be just about the last place I would open a business. Not, as I say that I need to justify myself to you.

Shab, you have now become out of order over this - like all Scousers, you seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder, whether you like it or not, Liverpool seems to be a run-down crime-ridden crap-hole, whose lazy, drunken chav inhabitants (orange for female, shaven-headed for male) have an irritating accent, drink too much, and mostly own a dangerous dog. It's how most people from outside see the place, and from what I have seen here, it's not too far removed from what it's actually like. The only reason it's easy to get round is that 1/2 the population (you included) buggered off as soon as they got the chance.

Look at the fuss when Boris Johnson**gged the place off - If it'd been about anywhere else no-one would have given a damn.
With your determined beligerence - you are just reinforcing what virtually everyone else has said on this thread

and I take it back - I wouldn't have a pint with you.

'Liverpool would be just about the last place I would open a business.'


there are numerous businesses opening all of the time, liverpool 1 is a business magnet in fact
the city centre is one of the most viable areas for business ventures there is, the albert dock is the same, tourists come from all over the world ..lots to see and spend mney on, beatles tour, fantastic museums and better galleries than any other city apart from london, as i said liverpool 1 is thriving, theres a fantastic newish concert hall (echo arena) again a big business pull...

Anybody who generalises against a nation or a city are just showing their ignorance and opinions don't count in my opinion.


Sounds Irish to me.

people do see what they want to see, i have been to many towns and cities all over the uk and i can safely say without any doubts that liverpool is by far the classiest, cleanest, and most pleasing on the eye..all the nearby towns ie runcorn, elles port, st helens, birkenhead, even manchester arent in the same league, AND the people as ive said who live in elles port through my own experience are far more troublesome and witless to boot...

Sadlers~Wells 06 Dec 14:14
Well Studyform if you've got that opinion living in Allerton you should go to Bootle were your views would be stronger. Allerton is quite an affluent part of the city and has many professionals living there.
I know, I've been there a few times in the last couple of weeks, there doesn't seem to be a nice part of Bootle! Crosby is OK.

Liverpool is the most like London (especially south london) of any city I've been to. There's a nice area, then 1/2 a mile up the road you wouldn't want the car to break down.




Tony Broke 06 Dec 14:20
'Liverpool would be just about the last place I would open a business.'
there are numerous businesses opening all of the time, liverpool 1 is a business magnet in fact
the city centre is one of the most viable areas for business ventures there is, the albert dock is the same, tourists come from all over the world ..lots to see and spend mney on, beatles tour, fantastic museums and better galleries than any other city apart from london, as i said liverpool 1 is thriving, theres a fantastic newish concert hall (echo arena) again a big business pull.

Silk purse, Sow's ear.
Actually there are some great places here. It's the people who spoil it, not so much the city itself.

Shab 06 Dec 14:33
Study, I'm sorry if you took my last response in the wrong way, but I said " See - it's easy to see what you want to see when wearing blinkers."
I took your response as you wrote it.

What I did was to take your response, and totally misrepresenting it. Like what happens a lot in the media to Liverpool.
It's also fairly represented in the media

You went mental. Now maybe you understand my point.
There's quite a bit left before mentalness sets in.

Tony Broke 06 Dec 14:41
people do see what they want to see, i have been to many towns and cities all over the uk and i can safely say without any doubts that liverpool is by far the classiest, cleanest, and most pleasing on the eye..all the nearby towns ie runcorn, elles port, st helens, birkenhead, even manchester arent in the same league, AND the people as ive said who live in elles port through my own experience are far more troublesome and witless to boot...
There seems to be nearly as much bad news from Runcorn as in Liverpool, Tony. I think Widnes, Warrington and all the places you mention can be rough too, as can a large proportion of the country, the prevailing attitude is different in all the other places though.

Gene Hackman 06 Dec 14:43
Why do you still live in Liverpool then SF?
It's where the house is.

you're right :)
I'll never get the accent though.

good.

I'm not arguing with or doubting that Gene.
I wouldn't want to live in several parts of sth Yorkshire either, or London. There are parts of Reading which I didn't feel happy in, Luton and Wisbech both awful.
and many many more.... None of these places have the 'tradition' and attitude which is so prevalent here. As far as I'm concerned it is not like anywhere else.