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Study, do you not think that you PERCEIVE there to be an 'atmosphere', or you are expecting one, so that becomes true in your mind?
Anyway, car insurance. http://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/news/is-yours-one-of-the-most-expensive-car-insurance-postcodes/0007631/ The top 10 most expensive places. An area of Liverpool figures once, Birmingham 4 times and Manchester 3 times. London and Bradford also get a mention. As I said, if you compare like for like, it is not really more expensive at all. |
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Oh, and I liked this bit:
Essex towns Romford and Ilford were also listed as car theft hotspots. ;-) |
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What was it Boris Johnson said about Liverpool ?
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Boris said "Using British hostage Kenneth Bigley as an example, the editorial claimed the inhabitants of Bigley's home city of Liverpool were wallowing in a "vicarious victimhood";"
And that sums it up - he had never been to the city, yet knew all about the people. How did he know this? He didn't; but he can, and did, pick up the stereotype. For the record, almost every scouser I knew took the view that Bigley took a risk for the money, and lost. So tough luck. However, the TV reports all showed the people saying how terrible it was, blah,blah. How many people were on camera saying "He took the gamble and lost"? None. Ask yourself why. |
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I live in neighbouring leafy Cheshire but often go across to Liverpool and find it an ever increasingly attractive place, it just depends what you seek and your expectations. If you look for the bad side i'm sure you'll find it
There is a lot of regeneration and a lot of good to be found and you don't have to look very hard to find it. I think much of Liverpol's problems stem from the 1850's with the influx of a quarter of Ireland's population who were trying to escape the famine which led to poor and overcrowded conditions which prevailed well into the next century, a century Liverpool entered with a new found wealth built around the triangular slave trade between Africa and the Americas. But with the intervention of two world wars and much devastation it has taken until now to finally cast aside the image of a run down city. Today it is a vibrant bustling city with much in its favour and the return of ocean going cruise ships will only enhance its reputation as a sought after destination. There's much to like about Liverpool if you can just see beyond your prejudice. The people are friendly, helpful and approachable if you make the effort, but if you don't or if you can't you may get the wrong impression entirely. |
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I have to disagree with the last post slightly. As someone who grew up in the eighties, most of Liverpool's problems were caused by one person. Thatcher. Deeply engrained in the psyche of the inhabitants of the city as someone who just did not care about ordinary people. I don't have a chip on the shoulder but I do have a memory of things that were very real and caused by the policies of her government.
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I concur with Shab's post by the way. You take your chances......
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Dont no any goat scousers.
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One thing I would say about my home town which I've always thought stood out is that by and large people in Liverpool ask questions about why things should be, they challenge injustice and hold onto it like a dog with a bone. But unfortunately in some parts of the city this becomes 'the chip' and people stop thinking. I've heard there is such a thing as a 'Liverpool Jury' in legal fields, this usually refers to a tough, questioning one that will pick up on the slightest error, sounds about right to me.
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Check ur hubcaps.
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day dont do dat do day...calm down,calm down.
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Very witty, you obviously take after your namesake John.
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he was my grandad, wrote much of his work in Liverpool...but it was all stolen :)
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I'm comparing the same car, shab, and I shopped around.
I'm a bloody friendly bloke btw, and get on with most people, I do talk to people and have made a few friends. But not as many as elsewhere. In terms overdoing the self- pity, Ken Bigley is just one example, there is Madelaine McCann (there are STILL yellow and green ribbons on the railings round here) and James Bulger, to name 2 very unfortunate cases, the shooting of the 11 year old, The 4 year-old killed by yet another dog, Hillsborough (no mention of Heysel though), and others. Now, either this is a bloody unlucky place, or there are reasons why there seems to be more of this than elsewhere, or is that there is no difference to anywhere else and the locals wallow in it. They certainly all group together after something has happened. They boycott the Sun, they all have "strong roots", and they ALL comment (without prompting) on anyone who isn't from here. btw, Romford and Ilford have Essex postcodes but are in fact in London. |
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I was in the Central Library last week where they have an Everton Ehibition in the large circular Picton Library.
They had one of the old turnstyles on show with a newspaper story from the 1890's about how the turnstyle staff would turn back the clocking/counting mechanism by 200 before the start of a game and the difference would be discretely pocketed by the turnstyle staff. Had to laugh. They were just as sharp in those days...!!! |
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I think much of Liverpol's problems stem from the 1850's with the influx of a quarter of Ireland's population who were trying to escape the famine which led to poor and overcrowded conditions which prevailed well into the next century, a century Liverpool entered with a new found wealth built around the triangular slave trade between Africa and the Americas.
That's a strange paragraph. The population of Ireland, before the Great Hunger, was about 8 million. About 600,000 Irish landed in Liverpool during famine times, about half settled, the other half moved on. The triangular slave trade was abolished in 1807, 40 years before the famine, although trade with America continued. |
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I think they've got you sussed STUDYFORM.
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Two million Irish came to Liverpool in one decade, fleeing a country that had been devastated by famine, this was approximately a quarter of Irelands population. From January to June 1847 300,000 Irish immigrants arrived in vessels that were termed
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and vice versa, Randolph. :)
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Nice to see you smile STUDY, people aint so bad after all heh heh heh :)
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think people can only speak as they find from there own personal experiences, whenever iv been out in liverpool iv been impressed by
how friendly the city is, same as cardiff , b'ham and anywhere north. as for the south, A whole area of ignore anyone who tries to make conversation, in fact out of all the citys in the world iv been to London easy wins the most unfriendliest , but only imo ! |
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reported
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sorry, gene just spotted you asking. Sth Liv - near Allerton
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they're no threat.diddy little men - FACT
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How near Allerton is that? Gartson or Mossley Hill
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off mather av
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Are you in Liverpool, Sadlers?
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Yeah, Mather Avenue is quite a nice area of Liverpool
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:^0
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Study, I have to respond!!
In terms overdoing the self- pity, Ken Bigley is just one example, Read what I said above. Most scousers I know thought Bigley took a gamble and lost. The press only seemed to interview those people who fitted in with the report that they had already decided they were going to file, whatever the actual situation was. The fact that most people had a different view didn't matter. The locals wallow in grief - we MUST report that - otherwise the southerners will not compute. there is Madelaine McCann (there are STILL yellow and green ribbons on the railings round here) The child is still missing. Do you think that everybody should just forget her and move on? Anyway, she is not from Liverpool!! and James Bulger Like? the shooting of the 11 year old So it is wrong to be absolutely outraged that an innocent 11 year old boy is shot in broad daylight outside his home? Should we just forget about that too? Do we just let the scallies know that killing a kid is OK, we will forget about it by next week? The 4 year-old killed by yet another dog That happened last week ffs! Hillsborough (no mention of Heysel though) I think you are wrong about Heysel. It is mentioned where relevant. |
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heysel is hardly ever mentioned, i'd never heard of it until a few months ago and done some reading up on it.. wasn't that the reason the fans were fenced in during hillsboro?
did liverpool hold a rememberence service for this anniversary(i don't know, it's a question) |
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Heysel was not singularly responsible for fans being fenced in. Fencing was introduced as a response to hundreds of incidents of crowd trouble at domestic games.
On the other hand, with respect to Hillsborough, the impression I get from the media is that Liverpudlians seem to see the police as being something close to murderers, when at worst they were guilty of poor planning and on the day decision making that in retrospect was disasterous, but at the time seemed logical given the information available to them. |
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the impression I get from the media
Hmmm. See above for media portrayals of Liverpool. The reason nobody buys the Sun in Liverpool is the lies the printed following Hillsborough. And all of the readers believed what they had read, because it was scousers, and they are all theiving**ts. Right? Why did the people think that? Why did they believe that so readily? Because it fits in with the stereotype maybe? I don't wan't this thread to turn into one about Hillsborough, but the police did a lot wrong that day (as did others), but they covered their backs and blamed the crowd (see media reports, as detailed above). Classic deflection tactics. The police have 'misplaced' all of the cctv from that day. The biggest loss of life in the UK for decades and they lose vital evidence. I'll let you work out why that might be. |
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how do we know they were lies? (another genuine question i was like 7 during this so don't remember it, only things i've seen years later)
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FFS, I guarantee if this thread was about Brummies or Mancs or any other group of city dwellers, it wouldn't have gone past 1/2 a page, because we couldn't give a f u c k.
Yet you lot are still moaning on page 4, and I have never written a bad word about scousers in my life before now. |
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From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_(newspaper)#Hillsborough Although the disaster occurred before TV cameras and a mass of sports reporters, no evidence was ever produced to substantiate The Sun's allegations. And they have of course since apologised for their "awful error". One of the accusations was that "some fans urinated on the brave cops". Those coppers again. And they are brave now. I wonder who planted that story. And why. |
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ahh no evidence
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that wasn't a flippant remark btw ;)
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looks like this threads' been diverted to boro
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to be fair hillsboro a big part of the sympathy that study talks about
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