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They put The Game Changer away over the Winter months as he needs proper good going. Looked good.
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I think that just shows how little attention I pay to the handicaps! Not races I focus on too much.
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Re Blaklion, I was all over him for the Albert Bartlett last year, but he ran no sort of race and then was well beaten at Aintree.
I get the feeling that when he comes up against a really good one (like a NMH or MoT) then he won't be able to live with them (no disrespect to Seeyouatmidnight or Onenightinvienna), but they are no NHM or MoT. I think he's a good G2 and G3 small field runner; his best performances over hurdles were in 5 or 6 runner races, as have his chase wins. May be proved wrong, but I'd be surprised if he was good enough to win an RSA. |
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Always well worth looking back at the Cheltenham handicaps, Don Poli, Killultagh Vic, Rooster Booster, Harchibald, etc Plus GC winner Forgive'N Forget won the Coral Golden Hurdle.
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Fair comments Chief, and you may well be right. Mind you I think we could be in for a smallish RSA field.
I did have a bit of a think before pressing the button, but in the end I thought 16 was worth the risk, and if it came up on the soft side I would be pretty confident of a big run, I think hes interesting anyway, but probably has a better chance of upsetting the two favs on soft. |
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SCOOBY I've watched both races AGAIN and if you see were Monksland is just after the 2nd last against Outlander he shouldn't have been so close to the winner at the finish as he ended up. Plus he was actually closing on him. Against NMH the first time they met Monksland was right on NMH tail turning in and NMH done well to get away from him under limited pressure. He was also so strong at the finish were in comparison Copper had to get after Outlander on the run in and he wasn't exactly pulling away more the opposite.
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Hey giggsy - you'll be pleased to hear that Patrick Mullins thinks that NMH is too classy for anything in the Mullins stable thinks he's "a cut above"
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The first time NMH faced Monksland, that was over 2.5m - a trip that would favour Monksland over NMH, as NMH is a proper 3 miler, so I think it shows NHM class that he could beat him over 2.5m.
Next time, over 3m, which suited NHM, he finished in a different time zone to Monksland. |
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Delsie, I think that is Patrick saying to Willie, don't run Black Herules in the RSA because NHM is better and I want to ride him in the 4 miler
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Yeah, could be chief! I expect Derek O'Connor will be saying the same so he can ride Outlander in the 4 Miler
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also monksland jumped better against NMH - against O he made mistakes at the worst possible time 3 out, 2 out and the last - this put him on the back foot each time - for me if he had jumped as well against O as he did against NMH it would have been a close run thing yesterday
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another mention for the 4 miler for outlander in the rp tonight
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Interesting Mullins & co wouldn't want people to run away from douvan for example, yet they would willingly send arguably their best RSA candidate to the 4 miler.
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theyd run one in the mascot race if they thought it counted
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I don't want to knock No More Heroes, for all I know he could be the next Gold Cup winner and a cut above everything else out there. However one thing I'd like to raise for debate on here is having looked through his form book, will he really go on genuinely decent ground? I've had people say to me he will be fine on it, he could well be, I'm not saying he won't by any stretch, but at this stage I just struggle to see any proof that he does handle it that is all.
He was well beat at Punchestown and I'm certain he didn't give a true running of himself there, and I won't necessarily blame the better ground as he wasn't a hurdler. It's also entirely plausible that he was over the top from a 3m run in the soft ground at the festival. He was also well beat on yielding on another race last season up against Outlander, again plausible excuses, inadequate trip etc. He has ran on yielding at the start of this season, where he beat 120 horses, so I can't have that as evidence where it will suit him against the cream at the festival. All his other runs have been on soft or heavy, I could well be way off the mark and making something out of nothing, but I'm just not convinced at this moment in time. |
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Don't want to try and be too biased and play his rival up too much but the three things that really turned me on to More Of That was that he loves Cheltenham, loves decent ground (doesn't seem to be uncomfortable on soft either) and has the class to win a G1 like this having previous winning festival form in a championship race. They are crucially key ingredients to me that make him the absolute bet of the festival at his current price. He also seems to have taken well to chasing.
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SF, you're right to bring the ground issue up, and I'm a NMH backer. Back in March 15, I started the 2016 Bet Thread, and I put "I think he'll be a monster in staying chases. Question over good ground would be a worry but if he does handle it, he'll be hard to beat imo."
That was almost a year ago and nothing I have seen since has addressed this. I still think he'll be a monster in staying chases, but he has yet to answer the better ground question, because he hasn't had it over fences yet. I'm hoping he will handle it, and I see no reason why he won't, but it is the biggest question mark he has imo. |
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Outlander impressive and would improve again over 3m if ground is decent. However, Gigginstown will split Outlander and NMH as they did win Sir Des Champs (JLT) and First Lieutenant (RSA) in my opinion. Willie was overruled that year and on Irish television yesterday he more or less said he would see what the owners wanted to do with Outlander. Not great for Willie as he has little for RSA and possibly three for JLT. But you can't win them all.
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last year not that year 1 you forgot
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I tell you this ante post lark is rather nervy!!
You back a horse at Cheltenham at the 2 and a half mile distance,he then gets entered in a race around that distance and duly wins that race well. Next thing you know he's being talked about as being in the 4 miler!! Bloody game this is!!! |
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Haha, fair point that budd. Shows just how hard it is with certain connections.
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Don't it just Catch.
Over the years have got used to runners ending up in the wrong race for me, but I do think I might struggle with this one a tad more!! |
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The problem is that a lot of the top class horses are concentrated in just a small amount of stables so they have to split them to avoid running against each other. Sometimes this will mean they run over a trip that even the trainer thinks is not their ideal. A trainer with only a few horses up to Cheltenham standard will not have that problem and will be able to commit to a race a lot earlier.
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Yes Giggsy,the likes of Giigginstwon and Mullins have made things harder,and I do expect strange(imo)decisions from them, but to put a horse with best form at around 2 and a half into a 4 mile race?
I thought even that was beyond them!! Still think he will be in the JLT though. |
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Outlander will be in the jlt, dare I say this after simonsig but the bf markets rarely get it wrong.
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Betfair is the first place I check everyday to see how my ante post horses are. If they haven't drifted I'm happy! I checked the JLT as soon as Outlander won and he was 14 on here. Wish I'd stuck a few ££ on him.
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Outlander raised 1lb for his win on Saturday to 150 (OR). Definitely should be JLT bound. imo.
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Keep it up lads!!
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Ground at Newbury is currently Heavy soft in places. Do you think John Jo will run MOT if it doesn't dry out?
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Forecast towards the end of the week is pretty wet, it's gonna be heavy going by the looks of it.
Maybe it depends how desperate he is to get a run into him. Not that many options soon I imagine. |
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Reynoldstown Chase a week on Saturday won in recent years by Albertas Run and O'Faolains Boy before RSA Wins
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Ah yes Shock dead right mate. I was there the day Albertas won,the day I started following him that was.
That's probably the last weekend a trainer would want a staying novice chaser running before the festival,I would think. |
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There's a 2 1/2m Graduation chase at Kempton on Friday he's entered for but I doubt that would be an ideal prep for the RSA.
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I'd been wondering if they might be tempted to give More Of That an entry in the Denman Chase as well as the novice race. Obviously it's too big an ask if Vautour turns up but when you go through Gold Cup entries it's difficult to see what else will run in Denman - maybe horses looking to bounce back after recent disappointments e.g. Champagne West, O'Faolain's Boy, Irish Cavalier, Holywell, maybe Virak, Triolo D'Alene - without Vautour the Denman could be as easy an option as the novice race.
Probably won't happen but just a thought. |
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Rocky Creek currently fav for the Denman Chase.
They should have entered MOT after all. |
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Just watched NMH and Outlanders last races. From the final fence to the post NMH was 3 seconds quicker over 3m on heavy ground than Outlander was over 2m 5f on soft. Take from this whatever you want but I think that's pretty impressive.
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Denman Chase is such a shocking race that they should get the now 16 years old Denman back from team chasing or whatever it is he's doing these days and let him run in it off 10 stone - he'd win with his head in his chest.
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It is more like the Quixall Crossett Chase than the Denman Chase this year.
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Two legends roger
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MOT not running at the weekend! He's running out of options!
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