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Violet dancer out for the season
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Yes and was that the first we heard about it when Harvey asked Moore in that interview, I wonder when it would have been public knowledge otherwise, I'm sure the horse must have had his supporters unawares.
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Really impressed with Ar Mad again today. Put to bed my anxiety of him going right hanged at his fences. He did do it at some but not enough to stop me taking the 9/1 available. He jumped straight at some and seemed to do that more when the pace increased.
Has the best form of the brits,and should be interesting race to watch with Douvan who don't like to hang around. Mind you Vaniteux might well get the run of the race sitting in behind. Game on!! |
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I'd def back Vaniteux in a match bet at Cheltenham versus Ar Mad. Not much between them at Kempton and I'd expect the course to suit Vaniteux more. Having said that neither have an earthly of beating Douvan barring accidents.
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Yeh Shock,no doubt a lot will agree,but show me some form that says Douvan is so far ahead.
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I think it's the manner of his wins. You know how it is and I think you're a bit like me who tries to find one to beat the hotpot, but sometimes you just know.
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LOL I backed Violet Dancer W/O Douvan yesterday and thought I'd done well at 33/1 EW. What a difference a day makes.
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Thats the thing Shock,i just don't know!! Yes I do look for ones to beat a shortie, especially with novice chases, and ive found one here,well two actually,cos like Ar Mad you have to like Vaniteux.
Ive watched Douvan and ive watched Ar Mad, I don't see one clear of the other. The arkle has become a very fascinating race for me now. |
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Well I'm on Vaniteux at 14/1 EW but think I'm playing for places only. Not long till we find out.
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Has Ar Mad improved since beating Vaniteux?
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Who knows?
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I was going to say that!!
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Twitter saying Ar Mad out!!!!
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What you on about Shock?
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Matt Chapman on ATR now said he's trying to get hold of the Moores to clarify. Been reported he injured himself today. I think it might be someone getting confused with Violet Dancer.
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Ok thanks mate.
Could be the shortest bet ive ever had antepost!! |
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Ar mad is lame after his win at punchestown and hasn't been asessed yet.
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Ar Mad is lame and it is official but the vet has not seen him yet.
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That's oficcially from the Moore family
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I think my atr feed is slightly quicker shockster
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Horse would have been lame after race, so if he's out i'd want a refund had i placed a bet.
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You're just a better typist Scooby
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Hopefully he's not out for any backers.
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So he was lame when I placed the bet.......FFS!!!
Just hope he's ok and they still have a horse,he's bloody exciting prospect. Hopefully just a minor thing. Not having much luck are they. traffic fluide, violet dancer and now ar mad. |
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Shortest antepost bet I've ever had. I've made an effort to cut right back on antepost this year. He was my third without nrnb and my second non runner.
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Quite like garde le Victoire on the stats. He doesn't look a natural jumper - very low over fences but Hobbs has a great record in this with 1 winner and 3 placed in last 10 years. Nobody could say menorah or planet of sound were very proficient over the larger obstacles especially in their novice year. I also like the fact he's won over 2.5 miles which 6 of the last 10 winners also have. In my mind I cannot see him getting anywhere near douvan but a little ew nibble might pay.
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I was under the impression he was more likely to run in the JLT, but I don't have any evidence to back that up. Has been campaigned more like an Arkle horse, but thought they'd want to avoid Douvan.
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GLV was shortened by most bookies yesterday for the JLT. Much bigger on the exchange also for the Arkle. Things could change though if the Non runners keep mounting.
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Yep 70s Violet Dancer , just moaning about it to my mate who said ' shame about Ar Mad , ashamed to tell him had just backed that too post Plumpton.
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Trainer States Ar Mad out for the season.
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Absolutely gutted.
Was really excited about his presence in the race competing with Douvan up front,could have been some sight. Yep,really excited about the prospect.Now its just the opposite for me. Yeh,losing money in that way is hard to take,hearing him being lame not long after placing my bet!!. But the race itself has lost out as well. |
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Graeme83
Graeme83 15 Feb 16 19:44 Joined: 21 Sep 07 | Topic/replies: 8,733 | Blogger: Graeme83's blog Horse would have been lame after race, so if he's out i'd want a refund had i placed a bet. Tried that Graeme,e-mailed Fred,but just spouted rules of ante post. yeh I know all that I say, and have had this many times over the years, but never have I backed a horse that was lame at the time of the bet!! just thought they might want to consider a refund for future relations between bookie and punter....kind of goodwill gesture if yer like. Came back and spouted the rules of ante post again!! Basically tough luck. I might try phoning and speak to someone with some authority, but I doubt that would do any good. Normally take non runners on the chin as we all do, but this one is tough to take. |
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If anyone has some good advice,would be much appreciated.
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My best advice. Don't waste your breath budd. Sorry to say. Am in the same boat.
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Yeh,you probably right Bill.
Thanks anyway mate. |
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Budd, I backed Violet Dancer Sunday morning. Pretty obvious he must have had a fractured leg on Saturday after the race I'd have thought (maybe not) and trainer doesn't say anything until asked on ATR on the Monday!!!!!
They don't have to tell us their targets, but only decent to tell us if they are injured. |
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Budd I think one of the issues is that the trainer said himself after the race that horses come back lame all the time after races and can be fine a few days later so I'm not sure the "being lame" argument is going to change their mind unfortunately. Haven't backed the horse myself but would have made the race much more interesting.
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Well, that's a huge blow regarding Ar Mad. Not just for my book, but for the race as well (although boy am I feeling the pain in my wallet...... No matter I'll get it back the first Saturday in December when he gags up in the Tingle Creek).
It's hard to see anyone putting it to Douvan now, no doubt Hendo will be disappointed as I expect his plan for Van was to pick up the pieces if Ar Mad and Douvan cut each others throats. I doubt I'll have another bet in the race. |
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oh well it was worth a try lads.
Think in future I might wait a day or so before backing a horse that's just run!! Might miss a point or two but better than what happened yesterday. |
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Indeed, I thought Ar Mad could possibly give Douvan a race; it is so unfortunate for the horse and trainer to suffer the same fate as his stable mate. Money down the drain for me nevertheless greater disappointment for horse and trainer.
Looking more and more of a 'walkover' for Douvan, all things being equal - 2/5 sp perhaps on race day. |