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I don't think it's the owner that decides.
Seems to me the trainer decides after consultation with his jockey,not sure the owner has much say,he usually says I will leave it up to Willie when interviewed. |
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I really think they will have two darts at the GC and will be working on getting Vautour to relax and not be so exuberant.
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Jiggerstown will run a pacemaker if necessary to make stamina a premium - WPM may dictate to Ricci but he has no chance of dictating to the O'Leary's.
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WPM has three darts though jasey. Got to be considered as WPM will still be looking after himself and RR will just leave him to it. Would you run all there of your best staying chasers in the GC and none in the Ryanair?
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DP Jiggers Catchers.
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I think WM and RR are desperate to win the big one the Ryanair is just another ball ball on the tree
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Mullers might do a Dickers.
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Yeah I know that Ekbalco. Just responding to jasey saying RR will want two darts. I think it needs considering that would mean WPM uses all three of his darts for one race. For a man clearly obsessed with Cheltenham winners, I would be surprised.
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I honestly don't think RR cares. He was happy for Vautour to win a JLT last year. I think they just want the horse to win at Chelts myself. Obviously if the GC was without doubt his optimum race, then brilliant. But it looks hard to be sure of that right now.
I think the Imperial Commander route might make perfect sense to them. Ultimately I think it will all hinge on Djakadam. If he is fit and bouncing that week, Vautour will go for the Ryanair. If Djakadam isn't 100% and Ruby doesn't fancy riding him, I think they will give Vautour his chance. |
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Funny how no one seems to be giving road to riches much of a chance, wherever djakadam is rtr will be right there,
If Mullins trained him he'd be half his current odds. Ran a fine race last season when the ground had just went against him. |
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I give him a big chance......if he runs.
Backed him before start of the season,odds were too big,still are in my view. I do have this nagging feeling they are thinking about the Ryanair though. Bloody hope not,I really fancy him on decent ground if he turns up in the form of last March. |
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Me 2 budd, i backed him in last years at 20/1 and feel he is being overlooked for this one. But i have a nagging doubt, and it's the record of horses that have been beaten in previous gold cups re-trying. Am sure its a bad one is it not? Forgive me if im wrong, if i am, i will back it tomorrow
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Well it is a fairly bad stat,but personally it don't bother me.
I look at it as that he's ran the course and distance and ran bloody well on ground not in his favour. Their are a fair few that have not at much shorter prices. He's having a fairly easy time of it,just the one run over a lesser distance. Looks like he could have one more and then March,and let's hope it's the Gold Cup mate. |
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Just noticed that R2R is a lesser price in the Ryan Air. With the 2 Dons in the Gold Cup, Gigginstown look to have a good hand in that. I can't see an obvious Gtown runner in the Ryan Air asides Roads to Riches & First Lieutenant who's now looks to exposed for any of the handicaps (13lb hike for the Lexus!!!). I'd personally expect O'Leary to want a good hand in his own race so could easily see R2R & FL both lining up in that.
Theres no way they could have Don x2, FL & R2R in the gold cup is there.......!?! |
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I backed R2R last year and think the conditions spoiled his chance but he still ran a cracker.The problem i see is that DP and DC are only going to run in one race,leaving one other top draw 3 miler the unfashionable R2R.He is the best horse they have for the Ryanair.
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With the ammunition that Gigginstown has for the Gold Cup Road To Riches will most likely run in the Ryanair in my opinion: Road will be a warm order too even with the participation of Vautour (about 5/2 without, and most likely be 'fav'); in my opinion Road To Riches has a better chance of winning the Ryanair than the Gold Cup.
If UDS, for one reason or another, is unable to run in the Champion Chase Vautour will be rerouted there instead - I'm fairly confident that this will be the case. |
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Think it was on TFF podcast, I heard that one of the O'Leary brothers had said, if they have 6 horses for the GC, they will all run in the GC, and they won't be looking to separate them.
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TimmyRiggins,
If only! If so, Road To Riches would have run in the Lexus and/or the King George, prep races for the GC; Road To Riches might have given Vautour and Cue Card a proper race with its front running style and brilliant jumping in the King George instead of missing out on the valuable price money and 'exercise' whilst staying in the barn! I'd like to see the 'jockey' of Don Cossack to allow the horse plenty of view of the fences and not get boxed in the GC - it is unnecessary and the horse jumps better too. |
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If only what?
You see the 2nd & 3rd colours of Gigginstown a lot more frequently than you see Ricci's. The horse almost won the GC last year, on unsuitable ground, and from what they were saying on TFF, there is no reason to think the horse won't be running in the GC again. |
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From a purely fiscal point of view, I'd prefer it if the horse were rerouted, but it doesn't look like that is going to be the case.
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On a side note thats the best username I've seen on here! When looking at the gold cup, ask yourself - What would Riggins do?
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impossible
The trainer was reported as having been off his food just prior to Christmas. Barring that his intended outing was going to be defending his Lexus. |
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what" the trainer was off his food?
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he's entered in the Hennessey,I hope that is his prep for the Gold Cup.
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English being my fourth language is sometimes a curse Duffy.
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"what, the trainer was off his food?"
One or two trainers (on Tele) definitely weighed more than one or two of their charges! |
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This was run on Twitter by @cheltenhamnews
Sunday Poll - Which race should Vautour run in at the Cheltenham Festival? Champion chase. 19% Ryanair. 41% Gold cup. 40% Interesting result, I wonder how different the result would be if the question was which race do you think he WILL run in?? |
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for me he should deffo go gold cup (pocket talking -YES) but imo he got the 3m at Kempton well in the circumstances ,the horse was imo totally unsuited by going right handed and lost ground and energy at fences by edging left and wanting to go left throughout look at the replays how his jaw is cocked left through the race,not really markedly so but to me he is not happy going this way round and his jumping was only adequate not the spectacular display he showed at the festival ,he wasn't meeting the fences as he did in the jlt at the festival and he has run a massive race in conditions that did not suit imo ............nothing is certain regards staying the gold cup distance but good ground and going left handed will help also he can be expected to jump better going the right way . his breeding suggests he will get 3m + his dam won races at 13f + on the flat in france . timeform have him on 181P a pound behind cue card and 2pound behind don Cossack ,but this horse has only had a handful of races over fences and has the scope to rate a good bit higher ...........only my opinion tho!
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he just didnt get home and neither will he in the gold cup, he did go slightly left at most fences but coming into the straight his backers were heading to the pay out counter,if it had been a bog you might chance it but the gold cup is run over further,a much stiffer course and is a real slog,its a penalty kick in the ryanair or chance the queen mother
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Any price on Vautour not going for the CGC?
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no dont think so impossible,
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What would you price Vautour as if he runs in the Ryanair, assuming DC and Cue Card both run in the Gold Cup. I.e, his main competitors are Smad Place, perhaps R2R, Dynaste, Al Ferof, Sound Investment and Valseur Lido??
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he would be very short on the day maybury imo 6/4 ish and it would look a penalty kick , but the gold cup is the big one and mullins and the owner have had near misses the last 3 years and will shirley want to hit the target sooner rather than later...............the proof of the pudding will be if connections think he wil stay the gold cup trip well enough, we can speculate but they will have a better idea !
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I'm not betting (if i ever do) Vautour until the day where he is sure to get the 'flag' treatment by 1 or 2 bookmakers, ok to ltd stakes but that suits my style. If he runs in the ryanair hes a shoe in and if 6/4 normal price it'll be a max bet against those.
Alas, if Smad Place, perhaps R2R, Dynaste, Al Ferof, Sound Investment and Valseur Lido are his only real opposition in the ryanair, expect his price to be closer to 11/10 and 6/4 perhaps being offered by baldys or billys for 15 minutes in morning to a max of say 50! |
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I think Vautour is destined for the CC or Ryanair despite what is being said at the moment by its trainer or jockey even on goodish ground unless DC, DP, Djakadam, Road To Riches, Cue Card, etc, are unable to run; if so, then the likes of No More Heroes and More Of That would take their places.
Just jock off Ruby and replace him with 'shirley' and Vautour will 'hit the target sooner rather than later' and make every post a winning one regardless of distance of race! |
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Ryanair if UDS is fit
CC if UDS isn't fit I think if they were going GC they would have said that straight away after the KG |
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Mullins needs a GC to cement his reputation in history as one of the great Anaheim trainers. Ricci will want to do likewise as an owner. The fly in the ointment will be Walsh who will want to ride both Djakadam and Vautour in separate races. Mullins has already indicated that Vautour will probably have another race before Cheltenham. Even though he has indicated that the GC remains his target, I wouldn't be too surprised if he changes tack before. I'd say 75% GC, 24% Ryanair, CC 1%
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Mt006,
I agree with you: WPM would have reiterated the Gold Cup straight away after the KG if so. Vautour: 50% Ryanair, 40% Champion Chase and 10% Gold Cup I think - the extra 2f and uphill finish is too taxing for him I firmly believe. |
