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Un De Sceaux and Willie Mullins
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well i disagree here and i don't get the fact you think he will get loose on the easy lead in the champion...whether it is a weak renewal or not he will be running aginst mid 160 horses he won't get it easy...anyway it's to illogical for me this one
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Who has Un De Sceaux actually beat?
Starts off his chasing career falling in a donkey derby with zero pressure on him. No Cheltenham form. Not the best pointers for an Arkle, |
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dj876 16 Dec 14 21:23 Joined: 01 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 5,285 | Blogger: dj876's blog There is absolutely no chance that UDS and Vautour will run in the same race at the festival. WPM doesn't run novices out of their grades at the festival,Vautour as a supreme novices winner (and owned by Ricci) is certain to be targeted at the more prestigious Arkle. Exactly. |
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Well looking at his prices for the Arkle and JLT its by no means certain.
As for UDS,look at his form and you might spot something. |
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Harry,
UDS will get a big lead whoever he runs against, if his trainer actually allows him to run against the top horses you might see!! |
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Un De Sceaux has led in every race he has been in. He's a headless chicken. What makes you think he will get a big lead?? I'll say it again, if he was that good they'd have ran him at one of the Festivals that season. Again struggling to see what he has beat? Racing in another donkey derby today.
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Cos every race hes been in thus far hes had a big lead,quiet simple really.
You, like the rest of us do not know wht he never ran in the big festivals.....but I suspect had his trainer not have had HFly, we may well have seen him in the Churdle. You need to take a closer look at his form, their is something there. |
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Whereabouts? lol
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Stop being lazy and look properly.
Ok, look at Midnight Game. |
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Midnight Game? The 134 rated hurdler who's won 4 out of 20? You're pinning all this on Hurricane Fly only beating him 7 I take it whilst the talking horse mullered him 16 yes? Anything else?
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Well that's all we have....thanks to his trainer, but it does show him in a good light compared with HF.
16 lengths on the bridle with 3lb more,HF was levels and worked pretty hard for that victory. Of course it aint concrete proof hes a wonder horse, its just a bit of form that suugests he could be a goodun. But as I keep saying, until hes put in top races we aint ever gonna know, and its only fair on the horse to judge him when he does. |
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UDS has undoubtebly looked impressive in his races, but why has he never contested a decent race budd?? it baffles me....
what does wullie mullie know that we don,t????.... |
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Last horse to make in Arkle ?Anaglogs Daughter . Must be over 30 years ago. Big ask for UDS.
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Must admit that horse has got some engine on him.Smashing rated 145 over hurdles n just blown away
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Looks Arkle bound now very impressed. Vautour JLT am afraid.
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Vautour is sure to run in the Arkle, much better horse without the obvious flaw of racing ever so slightly out of control like this one does, I wouldn't be surprised if UDS doesn't even run at cheltenham, he won't dislodge Vautour and don't see them famcying him lasting out over the longer JLT trip with the way he goes about things.
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Budd, Sailors Warn beat Midnight Game 50+ lengths a few weeks later...you can't reliably use Midnight Game as a yardstick. I think the point stands that Un De Sceaux has beaten very little so far and it cannot be a positive that they dodged last year's Festival with him. The owner has very few horses and this is a game where you really need to seize the day - we all know what happened to Allez Colombieres, Darlan, and however many before - so why wasn't he at the Festival last year? It could certainly be that he's a very patient man...or it could be that they know that he's likely to get found out against top opposition. We obviously won't know until he takes them on.
Despite how impressive he was there, I would be amazed if, after going off at that pace, he really has anything left off the bridle. Therefore if a top class horse can just keep tabs on him enough, I don't see how Un De Sceaux can pull out more to fend off the finishing pace of a Vautour, for example. I could obviously be wrong and he may just be exceptional, but there are enough reservations for me, for now, to not be at all tempted by 3/1 the Arkle. |
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Something fishy going on. I wish Mullins would just say. I know this sounds far fetched but I know someone that met RIch RIcci at Ascot and they asked him where will Vautour run and he said JLT, the lad had a selfie with with him haha, I **** you not.
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Vautour should really be running and winning a CH...to send him chasing and then to contest the JLT would be a complete nonsense....won't happen.
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Un De Sceaux, I love him. He's relentless.
Quite certain Vautour will go for JLT now if this fella makes Cheltenham. Done a UDS Vautour double. Arkle/JLT |
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Just don't see how Vautour can be considered to be running in anything other than the Arkle when in relation to UDS, one horse is bombproof with top class festival form, the other is a hide behind the sofa whilst watching job that has already fallen and races out of control...if ricci allows vautour to be diverted it will be a crimewatch job.
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I'm waiting for WPM's post race comments. If he says 'we'll have to aim him at the Arkle now', what that actually means is 'we'll give Cheltenham a miss'. The only way this runs in the Arkle with Walsh up is if Vautour misses the gig.
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Just asking a question here duffy. Have you backed Vautour for the Arkle?
Just to be open about it so I'm not considered biased because I haven't a cent on Vautour, aside from the double I placed today which is only for a score. |
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I've been worried about Vautour lining up in the Arkle for some time. I don't really buy the prestige of the Arkle argument. People just want Cheltenham winners. WPM and Ruby will be the key and they will see this as the best possible option for them as both will be short priced favs. It will be very easy for the trainer to persuade the owner as well IMO.
I've virtually written off my Vautour bet and am gutted. One of my biggest AP bets ever  |
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I haven't backed Vautour for the Arkle, but I will if he get's there, never get round to doing much ante-post, just don't see how Vautour should run in anything different just to accommodate a horse that they're worried about falling in a hole over further...the Arkle is the premier race for novice speedier chasers and vautour is the best horse to run in it IMO...he's bombproof over 2 miles and UDS isn't....besides when Vautour ran over 2 and a half he was least impressive himself although there was an excuse made post race.
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I think 2m4f is the trip for Vautour given his breeding, he's going to run in the Gold Cup next season so why not step him up now. Ruby and Mullins want to win races at Cheltenham.
I dodn't think it's a coincidence that Paddy Power were standout price for Vautour for the Arkle at the beginning of the season given Ruby Walsh works for them too. |
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Wasn't just the start of the season CVB. They've been noticeably trying to 'get' him all season.
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Why don't you just lay your bet at the shorter price?
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With UDS style of running, I don't know why they wouldn't go QMCC especially if Sprinter doesn't make it. He's as likely to win or fall in that race as he is in the Arkle. Vautour can then go Arkle! WPM's other options Champagne Fever aiming for Gold Cup unless he fails to stay in the King George and then may go Ryanair, so unlikely QMCC. Felix Yonger who I like but doubt he's anywhere near UDS. Twinlight, Ballycasey I don't think so for QMCC.
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Normally agree with cv and you know more about mullins than I do but why would they risk vautour running on soft ground over 2 and a half mile,could turn into a right slog,all the horses best performances have been over 2,this horse could be good enough to win the champion hurdle,and yes I have backed it for the arkle,surely they would have them 2 mile 4 runs in the back of their minds,on the other hand would un de sceaux run on good to soft ?
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Anybody trying to second guess Mullins is going to have a job on.
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UDS has undoubtebly looked impressive in his races, but why has he never contested a decent race budd?? it baffles me....
It baffles me as well Alleged,i can only think it is to accommodate all his horses and UDS was not his priority last season. This season however they have said its time to get serious with him,so we should soon find out his capabilities at the top level.I would imagine hes told his owners to be patient and wait for this season, or something like that, cos they must have been thinking bigger things than those French races last season. When a horse repeatedly wins by wide margins it is clear hes running against inferior opposition,and at some point just has to go up levels till he finds his level,this has not happened yet over 2m,but it has to happen this season,and now hes fav for the Arkle.....it will happen, and about time too!! Yesterday he was hugely impressive,and I honestly think he would stretch out any field hes put up against,although that's just my opinion.He gets horses behind out of their comfort zone running faster than they want to....I think he would do that in an Arkle and probably in a Queen Mum as well. Its catch me if you can,whatever the opposition. My one reservation is the way he runs.... a slight mistake could do him and at a place like Cheltenham he could come a cropper,but that's him, we accept that. Still,hes darn exciting and we should all relish the prospect of a fast front runner over 2m at the festival, and the intriguing thing of whether he can stay in front to the line. What is more exciting than that?? The festival would get off to a cracker, especially if Vautour takes him on. |
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Reminds me of Flemenstar in his novice year. Looked a superstar in Ireland, great running style and looked a big threat to Sprinter, but they decided not to go to Cheltenham when the iron was hot. Following year, messed him about trip wise and then it was too late.
I am on Vautour pretty big, but I hope they don't make those mistakes with UDS. Sure it would make Vautour's task easier if UDS wasn't there, so from a pocket point of view, it'd be better if he didn't turn up, but from a racing point of view, I really want to see them against each other. The truth is, both have won over 2m and 2m4f, and both look better over 2m - simple as. I think you can justify Vautour's price at the moment - Supreme winner, course form, beat the best last year. However, I couldn't justify UDS's - no course form, possible ground issues, not really beat much etc. |
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Well they aint messing him about trip wise now, its 2 miles all the way they have said.
I don't think you can justify either price to be honest,neither it seems is a definite runner,and Vautour could well end up in the JLT,if they both got to the festival and they are kept apart.As they have said UDS will be campaigned over 2m,the only options are Arkle and Queen Mum. Vautour imo will only run in the Arkle if UDS has a setback, as they really want to win both races.....unless they put UDS in the Queen Mum if SDG and SS don't turn up. Anyway their are too many ifs and buts to take a price on either imo. |
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if UDS hadn't tipped up fto would he be running in the grade1 that vautor is running in over xmas???
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Of all the races at the festival. I simply cannot wait to see this lad make all in the Arkle.
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I don't think it would alleged,that race has been Vautour's target since he won at navan
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I'd like to see him make all in the QMCC.
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"I'd imagine he'll try to get one more run into him at least before a tilt at the Arkle Trophy at Cheltenham next March."
Ruby Walsh after the race yesterday. Looks like you will get your wish CV,if Rubys genuine on that. |
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6/1 NRNB for QMCC with Skybet
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