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One could look at the decision to keep TNO over hurdles as a real boost for his chances of winning a Churdle.
I would think going chasing was certainly discussed and the fact they have stayed hurdling with him speaks volumes imo |
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Since Mullins seems to be rolling out the big guns, anyone know when we are likely to see UDS in action?
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He's entered at Thurles on Thursday. Not sure if he's an intended runner.
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Cheers, SoYouThink.
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Declared tomorrow, big day for him.
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Just as exciting over fences as he was over hurdles.......till oops!!
Still lives to fight another day. |
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A lot of Mullins novice chasers turn out to be a disaster over fences. You look at the likes of Mikael d'Haugenet, Quel Esprit, Arvika Legionnaire & Boston Bob, huge jumping frailties during their novice seasons. Mozoltov and Djakdam in the Jewson last season. It's heart in the mouth stuff a lot of the time with his chasers. Our Ben (2006), Pomme Tiepy (2007) Citizen Vic (2009), barely an RSA Chase has went by without a Mullins horse coming to grief. You're pretty much guaranteed a Mullins faller in every running of the 4-miler going back a few years too.
I haven't had the chance to watch the race today. Un De Sceaux could turn out to be very good but with Mullins record, I'd be wary of making too many excuses. |
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Wish I could find the article on Mullins I read a few weeks back. Concentrated mainly on his poor strike rate with chasers at the Festival. I was surprised at how low the percentage was.
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A certain Kauto Star fell on his chase debut, the rest is history ...
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If you look back at Kauto's carer or any of Nicholls chaser's career, their generally safe/sound jumpers. In Kauto's case, he was an unreal jumper for the most part. You couldn't look at Arvika Legionnaire or Mikael D'Haugenet or Boston Bob and consider them safe jumpers.
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I thought he jumped very well until the mistake... which wasnt even a bad one in itself. Just a little exuberant if anything. If they can ever teach him to settle, he could still be anything... Certainly going to be of one of the best around this season.
Cant help but think of a bull in a china shop when I watch him run though. He would give you a heart attack in the Arkle, although he would clearly get them all at it. |
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Arvika Ligeonniere was a fantastic jumper going right handed, just couldn't go the other way. Also, I would consider Boston Bob too safe a jumper. He doesn't take a cut at his fences and where other horse gain ground he can be very slow.
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Watching a replay of his chase debut I would not be put off after that fall. I thought he looked athletic over the obstacles until he fell.
Obviously with any runner from this yard antepost betting is fraugh with danger but he looks a natural. Buddelia, his hurdle campaign was a real head scratcher for us all last year, but I just wonder if chasing was always their plan and they wanted to take things steady with him over hurdles. Hopefully he will be placed to show his true abilities this season. |
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Hello Brandy,
Yeh I can see the point you make, and its certainly a possibility and would explain the strange campaign. Whatever the reasoning the gloves are off now,this season its time for him to take on the best,whether it be nov chasing or hurdling. I look forward to his next race, hes bl00dy exciting!! |
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anyone know how bad the cut was he sustained after his fall?
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From Ruby's Blog last week.
I saw Un de Sceaux gallop on Tuesday morning and he looks really well. It was a disappointing, novicey fall at Thurles last Thursday but up to that he was spectacular. He’ll learn from it. |
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Entered at Haydock Saturday...nov chase.
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Interesting entry. Was trying to think of any Mullins Haydock runners and couldn't think of any. RP website says only 5 runners in the last five years.
I know I'm reading too much into it, but he is likely to tip Vautour in a G1 in his second chase start and put UDS in a minor Haydock novice chase for his second, which says a lot to me. Not in terms of their ability, but about where they are at this stage of their chase career. Would love to see how UDS handles some good ground as well - thats one of his question marks for me. |
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Also entered at Fairyhouse. My take on the Haydock entry is that the race is off at 1pm with the Ladbroke at 3:30pm at Ascot. If they want Ruby for UDS and Clondaw Warrior then presume he could chopper down after Haydock, whereas be obv couldn't do so from Ireland.
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Ruby and Gillian own shares in Clondaw Warrior with David Casey and his wife but his minimum riding weight is 10-3 so as things stand with the weights I would imagine DC will take the ride on CW if he runs.
Anyone that thinks UDS will run in the Arkle this year doesn't understand the stable. |
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Where you think hes running then,if not the Arkle.
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Weights more than likely to rise in Ladbroke dj.
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I'd be surprised if Vautour and Un De Sceaux both line up in the Arkle. Just think Willie likes to split them up. I'm sure they'll both get an entry in QMCC and would not be surprised if 1 went that way as Mullins doesn't have anything better than those 2 in the 2m chase division. I know he doesn't like to run Novices against the established but seems a no brainer if they both jump ok before Cheltenham.
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Well its either 1 in the JLT and 1 in the Arkle , or as you say Shock 1 in the QM and 1 in the Arkle.
My feeling is the latter. I don't think Vatour will be in the JLT, i think hes probably better than that, and hes already said UDS will stay at 2m, which is certainly his optimum distance. UDS might be the better candidate for the QM,not cos hes better but just the way he runs,where he never sees the opposition.......its catch me if you can whoever he faces. The other alternative of course is one misses the festival, and that would no doubt be UDS. |
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Thats how I see it Budd, but thought the same applied last year re UDS in the Churdle.
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Yeh,and he missed the festival.....bl00dy annoying, and that could happen again, and imo that would be a real shame. A horse like him with his style of running would light up the festival whatever race he was in.
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Stevo you say weights likely to be raised in the Ladbroke. You obviously know something?
Budd agree with your 20.21 post especially if the big two in the Ch Ch are non runners. I assume UDS would want it on the soft side which could be an issue. |
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Maybe mate, but this ground issue I aint so sure, hes won a bumper by his usual 30 lengths.... or something like that, on good/soft. Of course soft ground would be a hindrance to some of his opposition though,whereas he would be fine, so on that basis yes, it could be an issue.
As I have said...probably too many times now ,I just want to see him in a top 2m race on decent ground,preferably hurdles, but fences will do if that's where he is now.Then I will be happy. We will finally know for sure, that's providing he don't fall again !!!!! |
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Cheltenham will always be watered nowadays so it will never be fast ground and should suit most horses.
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There is absolutely no chance that UDS and Vautour will run in the same race at the festival.
WPM doesn't run novices out of their grades at the festival,Vautour as a supreme novices winner (and owned by Ricci) is certain to be targeted at the more prestigious Arkle. |
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Arkle, re top weights may come out if too soft,especially Garde.
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Wouldn't worry too much about mullins aiming two at any race. It's inevitable. If they're both winning over the trip, or running well enough, they will go. Owners know this when they send them.
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Thanks Stevo. I understand that but I did not see any trainer quotes re their horses.
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Arkle just had look at market on here, think it tells you want you need to know, good luck with your selection.
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UDS running at Fairyhouse Saturday by the looks of it
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Just a thought on this one. Ruby has said he doesn't think novices should run in open company due to the fact the jockeys don't give one another as much room. In novice races they all want a bit more room. However, in UDS you have a horse where that doesn't matter. Arkle or CC, he's just going to bowl along and will only see another horse if he gets past, which you would imagine would very late in the race. Therefore, if looking to run one of Vautour or UDS in the CC, then surely UDS is the most logical option
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I should say this is with the caveat of neither SS or SDG making it
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tory un de sceaux hasn't completed over fences yet, why on earth would they think about running him into the champion...
personally a good horse is about to start his chasing career jossies hill and mullins for once will be forced to run his best 2 in the arkle if jossies wins well...lets see what jossies hill does first but will be a good debate after, on whether mullins is forced to take both to the arkle |
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The point is harry, is that UDS will be lengths ahead of any field he faces,so the fact hes in a QM wont make any difference,if he falls it wont be cos hes in the QM.
Hes more likely to get caught in a QM as the opposition should be better, but his jumping will be just as good in either race.So the fact he aint completed yet don't matter. Seems to me He has one way of running, catch me if you can,jockey cant do much but sit and steer whatever the opposition. |
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Budd has summed it up there well Harry. I'm not saying this is going to or should happen, more theorising and chucking a few ideas around. Without SS and SDG the CC is a piss poor race and is there for the taking. Mullins could drop Ballycasey back or even CF if he bombs out in the king George. But, if it works out that one of Vautour or UDS is considered then given how Ruby feels about novices in open company, coupled with UDS' running style, then he is the most logical choice. Not saying it's going to happen as doubt it will but, he's a better horse than any of the others bar SS and SDG and if they are out his way of running means he's just as likely to win the CC as he is the Arkle if Vautour didn't run in that race. It would all come down to whether or not he stands up
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