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Well lets just hope his trainer agrees,and puts both in the Arkle.
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and mine. But I have read about 5 racing books this pre season and the most stand out pick amongst every all of them is Josses Hill, highlighted in every publication I have read.
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Backed him antepost Howdi,think 10's could be value,even if it goes against my normal policy of waiting to see them jump a fence.
I do know the yard are rather bullish about him,and there was no hesitation in going chasing with him this season. Have a feeling 10's is as big as we will see. |
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Hey up the clever money is coming in ^^^^ I'm jumping on board.
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You know it makes sense delboy!!
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One horse I think has been slightly overlooked is Sergeant Reckless who was no mug last season and flew into 4th in the Supreme, is he going chasing?
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Howdi, Sgt Reckless is entered in the Novice Chase at Uttoxeter on Friday.
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^^^ brilliant love this place for picking up stuff, cheers pal.
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Could be a really great Arkle this year... the names all mentioned along with The Tullow Tank, who Im very keen on seeing over a fence.
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CCM I've got The Tullow Tank as a JLT horse especially after them publicly saying last year Neptune was his race not the supreme...... I'm convinced un de sceaux will line up against Vautour in the arkle come march, willie got Un Atout possibly Pont Alexandre staying at 2 and a half (though I hope not) and also maybe abyssial stepping up all to be potential JLT horses so there is no reason why we won't have the Arkle we all want to see
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Haybilly you say you are worried about WM's chasers. However PFN has had no chase winner since Kauto Star. Using your logic you should only back Jim Culloty's horses.
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2 mles over fences stiffer test ^^^^
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Is 2m over fences a stiffer test? Sure, the obstacles take more jumping, but they're travelling at a slower pace.
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^^^ not that much slower 2 miles over fences plays is undoubtably stiffer than hurdle equivalent.
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getting over fences physically demanding.
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I'm not convinced Howdi, think it's much of a muchness myself.
The RP standard times for Clonmel over 2m 4f (got from today's results): 4m 40s hurdles 4m 48s chase I know it's going to take longer for horses to get over the fences but it doesn't suggest to me that it's going to take any more energy to go over fences in 4m 48s than hurdles over 4m 40s. Disclaimer: I am a complete novice when it comes to times |
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^^^^ Trainers will tell you this, pal. Also build in the factor if you touch one or two it can knock the stuffing out of you, stick that in the mix
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I don't know many trainers, and why would they tell me that?
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sorry mate I'm trying to tell you its a well known fact.
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Wires crossed there.
Fair enough pal. |
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Slab ...lets meet at Cheltenham and run the course see what we think mate!!! You can go first...![]() |
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Horses spend longer jumping a fence than jumping a hurdle. More time to fill their lungs.
Hurdle races at championship pace is a different game all together. Any trainer/jockey will tell you that. |
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Alright, but you take the chase course
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Ive tweeted Nicky Hendo for the real answer to the above question. Hoping his daughter clocks my mug shot and she may fancy a date
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Ask somebody who is sober Howdi, then you might get the correct answer.
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not sure factoring in the physically exertion of jumping the fence and taking one in the ribs.
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physical
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If you hit a fence or a hurdle it can mean race over, so we have to look at this as in every fence/flight is taken cleanly.
Every racing "expert", trainer & jockey I have ever met have the opinion steeplechasing is less stressful or taxing than hurdling. |
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Hence national hunt come into their own once sent chasing
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12 Fences and 8 Hurdles !
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Lets agree to disagree
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Hurdles are 3ft 6 fences 4ft 6
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That's why for me The New One should have been sent chasing this year. He is not a natural over hurdles. He is needing the time jumping to straighten himself to grab a breather. They will spend another season to try and make him into a hurdler and sacrifice the career he is bred to do. Jump a fence.
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I would imagine trying to predict where Mullins horses go is a complete guessing game especially say the novice chases where there are 4 options if you include the 4 mile race. It sounds like they've only decided which horses will stay over hurdles and which will go novice chasing plus you know what Mullins is like.
In my opinion he has a bad record and probably a small bit of bad luck when it comes to Festival chases too so that's another consideration. Although on paper it does look like an exciting team of novice chasers especially when you consider the likes of Valseur Lido, Rathvinden, Annie Power, Un Atout all seem a little bit forgotten about too from reading over this thread. He should mop up all the races in Ireland and more than likely will leave everyone guessing about targets right up until the last minute. |
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wasn't that long ago when mullins was an even money bet to win the irish championship v meade - those days have gone. The rich seem to have gone a little overboard with him wish they'd spread it around abit.
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Everything else being equal the best hurdlers are the one which hurdle the quickest and use the least energy doing so. Its more or less the same for chasers but now the obstacles are effectively much higher. I agree with Brandy and have said it many times over the last 12 months - TNO should have gone chasing last year and I dont believe he will ever win a Ch Hurdle. For the record WM's novice chase team for the coming season includes Annie Power, Un de Sceaux, Vautour, Don Poli, Abyssial, Clondaw Court, Moyle Park, Pont Alexander and Un Atout. There are only four novice races at the festival.
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^^ Could you give me 5-1 The New One please arkle arkle
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Unfortunately no Howdi. For one reason if I wished to lay him I could do so at about 100/30 on the exchange besides his price will drop further after a few egg and spoon races. I do some laying but am mostly a backer and have been a Faugheen fan since he demolished Josses Hill by 22 lengths. I was amazed when WM said that Vautour was a better horse and I said so on here. Perhaps he has changed his opinion. Certainly though Faugheen would have to improve his jumping to win a ch hurdle. Jezki is still in the mix and the absence of MTOY makes it easier. Perhaps TNO will win it - I have been known to have been wrong before (many times).
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and me mate
![]() that form of faugheen beating joses looks something else now. heres one for you 3 miles - hurdle - level weights more of that v faugheen - place your bets |