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By:
buddeliea
When: 27 Oct 14 17:39
Well lets just hope his trainer agrees,and puts both in the Arkle.
At this moment imo they both should be aimed there.
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Oct 14 17:43
and mine. But I have read about 5 racing books this pre season and the most stand out pick amongst every all of them is Josses Hill, highlighted in every publication I have read.
By:
buddeliea
When: 27 Oct 14 17:47
Backed him antepost Howdi,think 10's could be value,even if it goes against my normal policy of waiting to see them jump a fence.
I do know the yard are rather bullish about him,and there was no hesitation in going chasing with him this season.
Have a feeling 10's is as big as we will see.
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Oct 14 17:48
Hey up the clever money is coming in ^^^^ I'm jumping on board.
By:
buddeliea
When: 27 Oct 14 17:50
You know it makes sense delboy!!
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Oct 14 17:51
One horse I think has been slightly overlooked is Sergeant Reckless who was no mug last season and flew into 4th in the Supreme, is he going chasing?
By:
shockster
When: 27 Oct 14 18:48
Howdi, Sgt Reckless is entered in the Novice Chase at Uttoxeter on Friday.
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Oct 14 19:31
^^^ brilliant love this place for picking up stuff, cheers pal.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 28 Oct 14 12:40
Could be a really great Arkle this year... the names all mentioned along with The Tullow Tank, who Im very keen on seeing over a fence.
By:
barnesey
When: 28 Oct 14 13:08
CCM I've got The Tullow Tank as a JLT horse especially after them publicly saying last year Neptune was his race not the supreme...... I'm convinced un de sceaux will line up against Vautour in the arkle come march, willie got Un Atout possibly Pont Alexandre staying at 2 and a half (though I hope not) and also maybe abyssial stepping up all to be potential JLT horses so there is no reason why we won't have the Arkle we all want to see
By:
Arklearkle
When: 29 Oct 14 00:05
Haybilly you say you are worried about WM's chasers. However PFN has had no chase winner since Kauto Star. Using your logic you should only back Jim Culloty's horses.
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 13:53
2 mles over fences stiffer test ^^^^
By:
Slabster
When: 30 Oct 14 15:35
Is 2m over fences a stiffer test? Sure, the obstacles take more jumping, but they're travelling at a slower pace.
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 19:36
^^^ not that much slower 2 miles over fences plays is undoubtably stiffer than hurdle equivalent.
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 19:38
getting over fences physically demanding.
By:
Slabster
When: 30 Oct 14 19:52
I'm not convinced Howdi, think it's much of a muchness myself.

The RP standard times for Clonmel over 2m 4f (got from today's results):

4m 40s hurdles
4m 48s chase

I know it's going to take longer for horses to get over the fences but it doesn't suggest to me that it's going to take any more energy to go over fences in 4m 48s than hurdles over 4m 40s.

Disclaimer: I am a complete novice when it comes to times
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:01
^^^^ Trainers will tell you this, pal. Also build in the factor if you touch one or two it can knock the stuffing out of you, stick that in the mix
By:
Slabster
When: 30 Oct 14 20:08
I don't know many trainers, and why would they tell me that? Plain

Agree with your second point.
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:09
sorry mate I'm trying to tell you its a well known fact.
By:
Slabster
When: 30 Oct 14 20:13
Wires crossed there.

Fair enough pal.
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:16
Love Slab ...lets meet at Cheltenham and run the course see what we think mate!!! You can go first...Laugh
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 30 Oct 14 20:19
Horses spend longer jumping a fence than jumping a hurdle. More time to fill their lungs.
Hurdle races at championship pace is a different game all together.
Any trainer/jockey will tell you that.
By:
Slabster
When: 30 Oct 14 20:20
Alright, but you take the chase course Laugh
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:20
Laugh
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:26
Ive tweeted Nicky Hendo for the real answer to the above question. Hoping his daughter clocks my mug shot and she may fancy a date Plain
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 30 Oct 14 20:41
Ask somebody who is sober Howdi, then you might get the correct answer. Whoops
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:44
not sure factoring in the physically exertion of jumping the fence and taking one in the ribs.
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:44
physical
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 30 Oct 14 20:53
If you hit a fence or a hurdle it can mean race over, so we have to look at this as in every fence/flight is taken cleanly.

Every racing "expert", trainer & jockey I have ever met have the opinion steeplechasing is less stressful or taxing than hurdling.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 30 Oct 14 20:56
Hence national hunt come into their own once sent chasing Wink
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:56
12 Fences and 8 Hurdles !
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:56
Lets agree to disagree Plain
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 20:58
Hurdles are 3ft 6 fences 4ft 6
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 30 Oct 14 21:05
That's why for me The New One should have been sent chasing this year. He is not a natural over hurdles. He is needing the time jumping to straighten himself to grab a breather. They will spend another season to try and make him into a hurdler and sacrifice the career he is bred to do. Jump a fence.
By:
SoYouThink
When: 30 Oct 14 22:07
I would imagine trying to predict where Mullins horses go is a complete guessing game especially say the novice chases where there are 4 options if you include the 4 mile race. It sounds like they've only decided which horses will stay over hurdles and which will go novice chasing plus you know what Mullins is like.

In my opinion he has a bad record and probably a small bit of bad luck when it comes to Festival chases too so that's another consideration. Although on paper it does look like an exciting team of novice chasers especially when you consider the likes of Valseur Lido, Rathvinden, Annie Power, Un Atout all seem a little bit forgotten about too from reading over this thread. He should mop up all the races in Ireland and more than likely will leave everyone guessing about targets right up until the last minute.
By:
Howdi
When: 30 Oct 14 22:56
wasn't that long ago when mullins was an even money bet to win the irish championship v meade - those days have gone. The rich seem to have gone a little overboard with him wish they'd spread it around abit.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 30 Oct 14 23:59
Everything else being equal the best hurdlers are the one which hurdle the quickest and use the least energy doing so. Its more or less the same for chasers but now the obstacles are effectively much higher. I agree with Brandy and have said it many times over the last 12 months - TNO should have gone chasing last year and I dont believe he will ever win a Ch Hurdle. For the record WM's novice chase team for the coming season includes Annie Power, Un de Sceaux, Vautour, Don Poli, Abyssial, Clondaw Court, Moyle Park, Pont Alexander and Un Atout. There are only four novice races at the festival.
By:
Howdi
When: 31 Oct 14 09:48
^^ Could you give me 5-1 The New One please arkle arkle Plain
By:
Arklearkle
When: 31 Oct 14 13:05
Unfortunately no Howdi. For one reason if I wished to lay him I could do so at about 100/30 on the exchange besides his price will drop further after a few egg and spoon races. I do some laying but am mostly a backer and have been a Faugheen fan since he demolished Josses Hill by 22 lengths. I was amazed when WM said that Vautour was a better horse and I said so on here. Perhaps he has changed his opinion. Certainly though Faugheen would have to improve his jumping to win a ch hurdle. Jezki is still in the mix and the absence of MTOY makes it easier. Perhaps TNO will win it - I have been known to have been wrong before (many times).
By:
Howdi
When: 31 Oct 14 13:15
and me mate Grin

that form of faugheen beating joses looks something else now. heres one for you

3 miles - hurdle - level weights

more of that v faugheen - place your bets
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