No, I'm not sl@gging the horse per se, I'm simply pointing out (as it's been pointed on this thread that there is a possibility that he could go off short) that he is starting to fit the profile of the the irish, usual mullins horse that has a string of wins over the winter and rocks up a shortie and promptly gets beat when facing a whole different level of opposition and ground for the first time...the judgement call on these types is to oppose....that's not me saying it, it's what we've all learned from seeing it over and over again with horses that I'd guess went to the festival with even better form than this one will have.....whatever happens, his price will be due mainly on visual impression rather than quality of form....which wouldn't make a short price particularly attractive.

briar hill is the battler !

fair enough,just going on what ive seen !

i agree but just over the last week or so,mullins been adding the word 'speed' when talking about him,just wonder whether that will be his excuse after saying he will be a staying hurdler,after all he put the bumper to bed in 5 strides !

I think Duffy if you check you may find that those horses which you say "are beating trees" back in Ireland have won 8 of the last 13 runnings of the Supreme and 5 of the last 11 runnings of the Neptune. And WM has won 4 of them during that period as against PFN with 2 and NJH with 1.

Correction imo having dropped from 12 to 9.4 after Briar Hill's run on Sunday. Faugheen still has to a) win his trial (in higher class?), b) be nominated for the Neptune (looks the logical choice but when did that come into it?) and c) turn up fit and ready on the day. So plenty of water to pass under the Mullins bridge in the next 9 weeks, quite enjoying the roller coaster ride and the debates though.

Arkle/rhinestone

I'm talking about faugheen, I'm not generally questioning what he finds off the bridal, and as I've said I'm not sl@gging him per se, I'm picking up on what WC posted earlier with the list of shorties that all came over for the most part and got beat.

Arkle, I pointed out that I'm talking about the relevant short price faugheen could end up if the factors that WC points out come to pass, which could very well happen...all the examples you've cited don't include real shorties...and without going into each and every one of them I'd expect most of them to have had a better line of form than that of faugheen anyhow, certainly at the moment.

There is, as WC has put a list of horses that faugheen could fall into line with regards to the target being announced and the subsequent over plunge occuring over and above what his price says he should be, and at the moment faugheens form suggests he shouldn't in anyway end up a festival shortie. To date, faugheen has beaten trees.

Well I suppose the term beating trees is a derogatory term of course(we all use it)we don't really mean a horse is useless .... we're talking in the context of the quality of race in which we're using it, and we're using it in the context of discussing a potential for winning at the festival and he was beaten in a flat race anyhow.

My whole point though is his form in relation to the price e could go off if these circumstances that WC happen...I'm not critising him..if he goes off an 8/1 shot, then the level of form can be offset against his potential blah blah, and he's more backable....but if he goes off a real shortie then he should have already proper decent grade 1 form on a couple of occasions beating his direct peers in the process for the price to be justified.

I also wonder how much people on here have on Faugheen....surely if yer on every other day discussing the beast youve got at least 150/200 on him? How much has everyone got on this thing?

9/10 had won over 2.4m or further - would be a concern if The Tullow Tank runs in Deloitte next.

Granted he looks good, but no one has actually seen his stamina tested yet over further than 2m. He looks like he could improve for the trip but you just don't know

I also wonder how much people on here have on Faugheen....surely if yer on every other day discussing the beast youve got at least 150/200 on him? How much has everyone got on this thing?

you don't wanna know Ballydoyle

faugheen has overtaken my jackpot horse ballycasey I just cant see it being beaten, neck on line .......

Neptune of course bally

no scattergun approach here matey faugheen Neptune will be my only bets antepost on this race, if he becomes a non runner dough done..... simples..... you win some you lose some.... its gambling

Well if you win I also win but I'd be surprised if he ran in Neptune as why run over 2n 6f 3m etc if he's a Neptune horse and stablemate running at around the Neptune trip?step forward the cheeky AB bet

he wouldnt beat briar hill in any race at cheltenham !

it cant jump for a start lol !

deloitte will tell us all a lot more regarding faugheen

The shorter the trip the more impressive Faugheen will be.

Faugheen doesnt jump that well when going slow. He's got plenty of stamina and speed so Neptune is clearly the race for him. A race Mullins loves to target his best at. I'm very confident he'll run there and not remotely worried barring an injury to Briar Hill that he'll run anywhere else.

I do understand lots of people have vested interests - myself included - based on what race they've backed him for. So it's not going to be a thread full of unbiased opinions.

For what its worth I've topped up again for the Neptune today, taking advantage of the indecision people have over his target giving the best odds available here on betfair.