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By:
SoYouThink
When: 13 Mar 15 23:00
I would agree - that was a good Gold Cup. Coneygree set what looked a fairly brutal pace and kept it up. As Ruby Walsh said it was a proper Gold Cup with horses dropping off one by one. It wasn't since the Kauto Star / Denman era that we've seen that happen.
By:
duffy
When: 13 Mar 15 23:01
Great StuffCool
By:
marychain1
When: 13 Mar 15 23:46
Absolutely brilliant. What a horse.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 14 Mar 15 00:00
Coneygree wins thrilling Cheltenham Gold Cup

Coneygree held on in a thrilling finish to become the first novice to win the Cheltenham Gold Cup since 1974.
Nico de Boinville guided the 7-1 chance to the front early on and then held off the challenge of Djakadam and Road To Riches in the closing stages.
"It's unbelievable; words can't describe it," De Boinville told BBC Radio 5 live. "He dug deep but I always knew he had enough left."
Retiring 19-time champion AP McCoy finished ninth on Carlingford Lough.
Favourite Silviniaco Conti threatened at one stage but could not stay in touch when the pace quickened and finished seventh.
"I knew when we got here this morning we were in trouble," said McCoy, who will end his career with two Gold Cup wins.
The making of a novice champion   
Coneygree was bred by the late former broadcaster and jockey Lord Oaksey
Jockey Nico de Boinville was riding in a top-level Grade One chase for the first time
Oaksey's daughter Sara Bradstock is the wife of Coneygree's trainer Mark Bradstock
Coneygree has bounced back from suffering two serious injuries to the same hind leg
Sara Bradstock is also the assistant trainer
This was only Coneygree's fourth run over fences
"He's a horse that likes good ground and for a horse that's slow but has a bit of speed at the end of his race, he doesn't like it when it turns into a drag."
Coneygree becomes the first novice steeplechaser - a horse that has not won over fences before the start of the season - since Captain Christy 41 years ago to win chasing's blue riband prize.
McCoy added: "It was an unbelievable performance from a novice chaser. He got them at it early and stuck at it well."
Coneygree thrived in the soft ground after overnight rain and made most of the running in only his fourth race over fences.
Carlingford Lough ridden by jockey Tony McCoy
McCoy finished ninth on Carlingford Lough in his final Gold Cup before retirement
"It was very dependent on the ground," trainer Mark Bradstock told 5 live. "If we hadn't had the rain, he could easily have been a non-runner."
Despite the field closing in on the home straight, the eight-year-old retained the lead up the hill and beat Djakadam by a length and a half, with Road To Riches two lengths back in third and Holywell in fourth.
"I'm numb, it's wonderful," added Bradstock, who has a small stable of about 10 horses in Oxfordshire.
"It won't sink in for a while, but it's great.
"We've done it before in smaller races and we'll still keep doing it, but it's fantastic to do it on the big stage."
De Boinville, a professional jockey for barely a year, added: "I always knew I could do it, but good horses make good jockeys.
"I'm just so grateful to the owners for keeping the faith, because there are so many big-name jockeys out there who I respect and who could and would have ridden him but they kept the faith in me.
"I'll be eternally grateful to them."
BBC horse racing correspondent Cornelius Lysaght
"A big result this for national hunt racing. In recent years, a sport that prides itself on its amateur, rural roots has caught the eye of more and more multi-millionaires, who've been prepared to spend their big bucks to assemble vast strings, and threaten domination.
"There's nothing wrong with that as such, after all they are prepared to invest in horses rather than other activities, but some have feared for racing's soul.
"However, from a tiny family-run operation and ridden by a talented but little-known jockey, Coneygree has done more than enough to restore faith. "
 

bbc suck again
By:
Autocue
When: 15 Mar 15 20:49
Very well done IS. Kudos spotting him as GC winner over two years ago. Also well played the Bradstocks for ignoring the naysayers.
By:
BarryM
When: 16 Mar 15 13:56
I've just had a look at the times - apologies if this has been raised already, but WOW. Conygree did it 2 seconds faster than Lord Windermere last year. When you consider the relative ground, that's amazing. He was about 30 secs faster than Bobsworth, when the ground admittedly might have been (very slightly) worse.

I'm coming round to the view that Silvianaco Conti has pretty much run up to the form of his previous Cheltenham appearances. This was a very good Gold Cup imho.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 16 Mar 15 20:23
^ that is impressive - Nico De Boinville deserves credit too for setting the right pace for his horse and sufficient to take most of the opposition out of their comfort zone.

There was a reverse angle shot on the C4 highlights show of the finish and it struck me that Ruby seemed to be working much harder than Nico - I honestly think Coneygree might've found a bit more if he'd been racing closer to Djakadam and R2R.

I hope there's more excitement to come from him - there is a slight concern that the race was so gruelling that he might not be able to reproduce a similar performance but his demeanour post race - and the following morning when he seemed mostly concerned with trying to eat everything in site as opposed to posing for the cameras - suggests that he came out of the race well in the immediate aftermath - I'm pleased they're putting him away for the season and not asking him to run in the Bowl at Aintree.

Worth adding that the 2nd,3rd and 4th also ran superb races.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 16 Mar 15 20:24
everything in sight,ffs - my spelling is more regressive than Bob's Worth!
By:
Harvester
When: 16 Mar 15 21:35
I agree Rease... particularly glad that they've put him away for the season. You've got to think after GC win and his performance at Kempton on Boxing Day that he will be in for KG this year... which could lead to a mouthwatering clash with Vautour Grin
By:
ladycarla
When: 19 Mar 15 14:24
The time is amazing when you consider it was only 2 secs slower than Best Mate's fastest gold cup time, best mate were 4/1 for his 2nd gold cup straight after he won his first so 8/1 I've had some on already.
By:
gutfeeling
When: 19 Mar 15 17:47
Spotting a Gold Cup horse in it's novice hurdle season, Take a bow Ibrahama, Great stuff and I do hope you backed the balls off him.
By:
buddeliea
When: 19 Mar 15 18:13
Quiet clear to me that this years Gold cup was a fair way better than the last few. A lot of horses came into this race with fair e/w chances,Coneygree put paid to most of them by halfway!!
Yes the ground probably helped Coneygree destroy most of the field but we did have Many clouds amongst the also runs who would have been fine on the ground.
Credit must be given to the horses that managed to make a race of it,Djakadam,RTR and Holywell all come out the race with flying colours,and I must admit to getting Holywell wrong,he would have gone very close on decent ground I would think. I did expect big runs from the 2nd and 3rd though,and those front 4 all will have good chances next year for sure.
See Nichols has gone back to the flat track excuse again,what he said about SC couple of years ago,he was right then and is right now.
Still the King George should be interesting!!

Next years GC should be a cracker, first 4 this year plus Don Poli and hopefully Vautour.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 20 Mar 15 23:09
What was Djakadam Hennessey run all about ?

More pleasing was that the gold cup was not run on really soft ground, it was raw wet but not soft heading towards very soft. SO maybe Coneygree can go on g/s ?

Still think its wrong to rate Djakadam within 1lb(1point) of Coneygree just because Djakadam is 6.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 17 Apr 15 20:37
Coneygree raised without running so now he is the joint top novice chaser Crazy
By:
timtin
When: 17 Apr 15 23:48
Relative justice made from Timeform, you cannot have a Gold Cup winner in such fashion rated lower than a horse who ran a novice race. RP has him 4 pounds higher and official handicappers have him 1 pound better than Vautour.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 18 Apr 15 20:40
yep, was a total disservice.

Imagine if coneygree was trained by nicholls or mullins he would be rated 180+
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 21 Apr 15 23:00
^^^^^      Absolute rubbish.

You can only rate him with the horses he had beat.
A genuine 170 horse in Road To Riches and a horse that had just won a handicap off 145.

Where on earth are you digging 180+ from ffs
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 24 Apr 15 09:16
Right, so you can ignore his novice status and rate him against a run of one horse, so under your rules and using the same method where does the run of Silviniaco Conti put him ?
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 24 Apr 15 19:11
No I'm rating him through the 2nd, Djakadam, a winner of a handicap off 145. The 3rd, Road To Riches, a 170 horse. Through the 4th, Holywell, a horse that has never proven to be better than a low 160 horse.

If you a rating him through Silviniaco running up to his best rating then fair enough.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 26 Apr 15 21:21
I think we are the same side of the coin,  ie arguing the toss.

you mention a 145 winner but he has won off 145 is totally irreverent its the mark he was adjusted too.

I was just mentioning the flat track SC as an example on how ratings can be read if you want them too.

I cannot find the rating jack a dam after his good win, in england he would had gone 20lb.
By:
ladycarla
When: 26 Oct 15 18:05
Coneygree runs sunday at carliseShocked
By:
cufcno1
When: 27 Oct 15 02:41
Hope so,tickets already booked !
By:
shockster
When: 05 Nov 15 10:53
Looks like running on Sunday and then the Hennessey.  Not entered for the King George which was a surprise, but turns out they had an issue with their computer and missed the deadline.  They say probably wouldn't have run at Kempton anyway but if they decide to run now it will cost £10k to be supplemented.
By:
stevo1
When: 06 Nov 15 05:26
Is Harry Redknapp the racing manager?
By:
buddeliea
When: 07 Nov 15 07:20
8 still available for gold cup,worse prices around right now.
By:
shockster
When: 07 Nov 15 11:38
If I knew it was going to be soft in March then I'd back Coneygree, but on good he's vulnerable to the speedier sorts.  If most of the top horses make it to Cheltenham then i reckon he'll be 5 or 6/1 anyway.  So think it's worth waiting IMO.
By:
shockster
When: 08 Nov 15 17:01
Excellent comeback win and jumped great again.  It will take an exceptional performance to beat this fellow if it's soft.
By:
wellchief
When: 10 Nov 15 10:53
Agree entirely Shockster. If it is soft he will take the world of beating and could go off at a very short price. Cannot be an antepost bet though in case it came up good.

Because Vautour and Don prefer it good and Coney prefers it Soft, the Gold Cup surely has to be a bet on the day race.
By:
buddeliea
When: 10 Nov 15 17:03
Fair points Chief, but personally I am willing to take the risk on it being at least good to soft,which I think Coneygree will be fine on and shorter than 8's on the day.
He was extremely impressive in March,and no reason why he cannot improve on that with more experience behind him.
Vautour aint an antepost bet anyway,at least not right now.
Don Cossack is not much value either,bit short imo for a horse who has for me a ? at Cheltenham.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 14 Nov 15 21:51
he will always go off a bigger price than he should do as he is not trained by the media elite.

Trying to work out what price he will go off for the Hennessey, i can only see one horse beating him.

I reckon 5/2 or near to 2/1 as it maybe a smaller field than usual.
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Nov 15 09:47
Well Newbury looks like being soft at least by the weather forecasts,so I expect him to run them into the ground.
Have a feeling hes better than his rating.
By:
x20
When: 16 Nov 15 18:59
matched at 14/1 today
By:
x20
When: 16 Nov 15 19:00
for the henessey
Lads taken the market down
By:
gutfeeling
When: 16 Nov 15 19:35
Spread a plate. Unlikely to run in Hennessy.
By:
shockster
When: 18 Nov 15 10:42
From DAVID YATES

CONEYGREE was last night “60-40 against” to make the Hennessy Gold Cup on Saturday week – as Leopardstown’s Lexus Gold Cup emerged as a surprise Christmas option for the star chaser.
A foot injury has placed the Cheltenham Gold Cup hero’s Newbury participation in doubt – Coneygree is now an uneasy 5-1 chance for the Hennessy - with husband-and-wife training team Mark and Sara Bradstock monitoring the eight-year-old’s progress ahead of a make-or-break gallop on Saturday.
“At the moment, I’d say he’s 60-40 against to make the Hennessy,” Sara Bradstock said last night.
“He is putting weight on the leg – his left-hind – but we are waiting to see whether it’s a bruise or an abscess.
“If it’s an abscess, we can drain it, but if it’s a bruise, it will take longer.”
A “computer glitch” meant Coneygree’s name did not appear among the entries for the William Hill King George VI Chase at Kempton Park on Boxing Day, meaning connections would have to stump up a £10,000 supplementary fee to add him to the race.
But the Lexus Chase two days later is now under consideration for Coneygree, an impressive victor at Sandown Park on his return to action 10 days ago.
“The Lexus is a race that has been won by some gallopers rather than speed horses, and it’s a very fair jumping track,” added Sara Bradstock.
By:
Harvester
When: 18 Nov 15 11:57
The Coneygree situation is getting frustrating.. personally i dont know why they're so obsessed with the hennessy.. they just need to stump up £10k and get to the KG and put Vautour and Don Cossack in their places!
By:
Arklearkle
When: 18 Nov 15 14:40
Cant understand the obsession with the Hennessy either and if anything will give him a hard race. I dont believe the 10K to be the problem either.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 18 Nov 15 16:53
I'd imagine he's nailed on to get cut in Ireland but that isn't always the case at Kempton. The Lexus would seem a good option.
By:
buddeliea
When: 24 Nov 15 19:32
Blessing in disguise missing the Hennessey?
Reckon it could well be.
Lexus or Kg and then the Gold Cup, maybe the Argento in between?Sounds ok to me.
By:
p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y
When: 24 Nov 15 20:26
No the Hennessy was the ideal race for him
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