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By:
Meadow
When: 08 Feb 12 05:21
I'd say Tongue Out

With four Grade One events on the Leopardstown card, Mullins plans to run – among others – leading Triumph Hurdle fancy Ut De Sivola in the Spring Hurdle, Lambro in the PJ Moriarty and Sous Les Cieux in the Deloitte Novice Hurdle.

The last-named horse was beaten at odds-on after running keenly from the front at Leopardstown over Christmas, but remains towards the head of the pecking order in the eyes of his trainer.

"Things didn't go to plan there – well, not to my plan anyway," said the trainer, who was interested to find out that Nicky Henderson had supplemented Captain Conan to the field at the modest cost of €8,000 (£6,700).

"He [Captain Conan] will need to be pretty good to win, I'd say. I'll certainly be interested to see how he goes, because looking at the entries I think this is going to be a really good race."
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 08 Feb 12 10:12
Surprisingly cheap supplementary fee for a Grade 1 with this pot.

I agree with WPM. Very surprised he is favourite.
By:
bluebirdfan
When: 08 Feb 12 10:22
Simonsig is the interesting one; if he wins easily over 2m he will go clear favourite for this
By:
buddeliea
When: 08 Feb 12 12:15
Hope so,i aint backed STF yet,but do see him as the most likely winner,although their are a lot of threats!!
By:
judorick
When: 08 Feb 12 12:52
**** have already cut Sous Les Cieux into 7/2 from their opening 9/2 which I was happy to jump on

Willie Mullins says he is surprised Captain Conan is favourite and I agree. Probably drift by race time
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 08 Feb 12 13:12
Managed to nab a bit of the 9/2 and also some 42 on here for the Supreme. Hope I'm not happy with that come Sunday though Plain

How is Cinders and Ashes second favourite for the race? I think he is probably the worst price of any horse at the Festival.
By:
Anaglogs Daughter
When: 08 Feb 12 15:24
Supreme Novices' Hurdle favourite Steps To Freedom remains on course to have a Flat run at Dundalk on Friday week.

As a smart performer on the level who is unbeaten in three starts over hurdles, Jessica Harrington's six-year-old has plenty going for him with the Festival in mind, not least that he is already a Cheltenham winner having struck there in November.

Harrington has given her exciting youngster a winter break since, but he will soon be back in competitive action.

"He did a breeze on Friday and worked yesterday (Tuesday) and I'm very happy with him," the trainer told At The Races.

"He'll run in Dundalk on Friday week in a mile-and-a-half race and he then may go to Leopardstown for a gallop after racing on March 4. It depends how he comes out of the race in Dundalk.

"He was out in the field for six weeks and then we brought him back in and we've just been building him back up. He seems to be fresh and well. The great thing was we got him to Cheltenham in November and he travelled over well and he's got experience of the course now. So when he goes back there in March, he'll know where he is."

Another major Festival hope for Harrington is Oscars Well, who would have gone very close to winning last season's Neptune Novices' Hurdle at the meeting but for making a hash of the final flight.

His latest run behind Hurricane Fly in the Irish Champion Hurdle was his best of the season and Harrington is hopeful her charge can get closer to the reigning champion granted better ground for the Champion Hurdle itself.

Harrington added: "He stepped up again and he's been improving all winter. He has a high cruising speed and I'm not saying he'll ever beat Hurricane Fly, but as I've said to the owners, with some reasonable luck we'll run into a place in the Champion Hurdle.

"I think he ticks all the boxes as he likes good ground, he seems to like Cheltenham and he loves races that are run at a fast pace. Hurricane Fly is a very good horse. He's probably one of the best hurdlers we've seen since Istabraq, if not better. He's won 10 Grade Ones now and that's an amazing record
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 08 Feb 12 15:32
Jessie should have a look on the forum and realise the horse wants further and heavy ground imo Mischief
By:
liam the lips
When: 08 Feb 12 16:01
^^ Laugh 2 mile and goodish ground will be just fine Love
By:
judorick
When: 08 Feb 12 16:03
jedi mind trick? did you wave your hand as you typed that sentence?
By:
buddeliea
When: 08 Feb 12 17:05
"I think he ticks all the boxes as he likes good ground, he seems to like Cheltenham and he loves races that are run at a fast pace.

Pretty much what some of us have been saying to be fair.

Hes had none of that all season and has still improved his rating throughout this season.
I expect his best run yet in March,be interesting to see where that gets him should that happen.
I suspect he will be placed.
By:
R Carver
When: 08 Feb 12 17:29
Think Henderson today suggested Keys was likely to run at Newbury (meaning I assume Simonsig may not?).
By:
wellchief
When: 08 Feb 12 17:31
wellchief
07 Feb 12 20:29 Joined: 17 Dec 09 | Topic/replies: 561 | Blogger: wellchief's blog
FWIW Paddy Power have offered me 25/1 for next years Champion Hurdle.

Would be wanting at least double that at the moment though


365 have come back with 33/1.  Again, would be wanting bigger than that at the moment.  Looking at oddschecker last year straight after Cheltenham Spirit Son was 14's - 20's, Cue Card was 8's - 20's, Sprinter was 14's - 25's, Al Ferof was 10's - 16's and Oscars Well was 14's - 20's.

I know I'm getting very ahead of myself at the moment, but I see him as the most likely winner of the Supreme at this stage, so I'd expect no more than 16's - 20's after Cheltenham (very much doubt a chase career is on the cards).

As I said, I'd probably want 50's at this stage, I'd expect some 20's to be around late March;just thought I'd keep you updated.

I'm tempted to take the remaining 12's with Laddies for the Supreme.
By:
wellchief
When: 08 Feb 12 17:32
^^Sorry, should have said that relates to Simonsig GrinGrin
By:
R Carver
When: 08 Feb 12 17:34
Re Simonsig possibly skipping Newbury, presumably because he would have to give weight to Colour Squadron whereas Keys would not.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 08 Feb 12 17:46
Out of interest, why do you think Keys running precludes Simonsig from doing the same? There are so few options now, that it wouldnt surprise me if he ran a few against each other? Not what he would have chosen, but I guess needs must.
By:
wellchief
When: 08 Feb 12 17:51
I wouldn't be surprised if they both ran.

I think it would be very strange if Simonsig is fit and ready to go and they choose not to in preference of Keys.

Also, Keys is entered into a 2m5f race at Warwick on Saturday as well.
By:
judorick
When: 08 Feb 12 18:06
whatever happens I would have thought the likes of Simonsig would go chasing next year, no?
By:
R Carver
When: 08 Feb 12 18:13
I don't think it is the trainers style to run 2 horses for powerful owners against each other at this time of yr at this venue. Simonsig has had 2 runs over hurdles and won, and run in points, so I have just assumed Keys (without a penalty) may be more likely to run - though I am only speculating. We will see.

I agree Judo - Simon screams chaser to me.
By:
judorick
When: 08 Feb 12 18:18
yes and therefore any price for Champion Hurdles in future years is pointless
By:
buddeliea
When: 08 Feb 12 18:42
Whats the trainer said re Simonsig next season?
By:
Masterminded
When: 08 Feb 12 20:13
Nothing has he? I'm guessing he will be going chasing though.
By:
BJG
When: 08 Feb 12 20:15
Would be very surprised if Simonsig does nt go chasing next season - thats gonna be his game
By:
tyronesam
When: 08 Feb 12 23:21
CCM...best of luck with cash and go...have backed him ew at 9/2 so hope he runs agood un....think i will invest a few euros for the supreme also...good luck
By:
Meadow
When: 09 Feb 12 02:23
Simonsigg will be running in the neptune after the weekend Shocked
By:
buddeliea
When: 09 Feb 12 07:47
Hope so,he could be a treat in the Supreme,not so sure re Neptune.
By:
buddeliea
When: 09 Feb 12 07:48
*threat
By:
87blade
When: 10 Feb 12 17:28
Anyone think Prospect Wells has a chance? Went close against Steps To Freedom and has had a breathing op since, and this will surely be his target rather than the Neptune. Currently 48 on here
By:
Tory
When: 10 Feb 12 17:59
Regarding the Fingal Bay Sandown race, my initial impression after watching the race (will admit I haven't seen it for a few weeks) was that BG didn't kick early enough - he let Fingal Bay grab a few prescious lengths before he even moved on Simonsig and by then it was too late.

What Fingal found was impressive but felt that had BG kicked earlier it would have been a far, far closer finish.
By:
duncan idaho
When: 10 Feb 12 19:07
Prospect Wells odds on here would worry me....easy to put a line thru Sandown run and was trading at around 16.0 prior to that from memory....possible he'll go for County Hurdle instead...real strong gallop in that would suit him (tho usually get gallop in Supreme aswell, of course)...shouldnt be the price he is if he's a runner
By:
zilzal1
When: 10 Feb 12 19:18
Would agree Duncan, him and Tetlami would be my 2 against the field at present
By:
judorick
When: 10 Feb 12 19:34
Prospect Wells fails to meet most of the key trends for the Supreme and can't be considered anything more than an outside chance on form too - hence big price
By:
87blade
When: 10 Feb 12 20:13
PW narrowly beaten by the current favourite for the supreme? Agree that current prices suggest he's a far from certain runner but not that much of an outsider on that form. Only one i've backed so far though is Cash and Go, decent form and looks very resiliant which he'll need to be at Cheltenham
By:
judorick
When: 10 Feb 12 20:19
most Supreme winners have been NH bred in recent years, have raced between 2 and at most 4 times over hurdles and have rarely been out of the first two. The majority had won their latest start

PW falls down on nearly all these trends and his collateral form has been shown to be well below the required standard. Would be a very surprising winner in my opinion and I think the trainer knows that too
By:
sintonian
When: 10 Feb 12 20:32
Totally agree Judo. Probably why PFN went handicapping with him also.
By:
buddeliea
When: 10 Feb 12 20:56
So i guess then lads that STF comes out of that Cheltenham race ok cos he aint been out since,whilst the close up 2nd does not cos he has been out.
Some might say that PW has let the form down and that STF should not be the price he is cos of their form with each other.
Personally i think Nicholls made a mistake with the Sandown entry,and the form aint that bad at all.
By:
R Carver
When: 10 Feb 12 21:00
Its a good question though, form or profile? A mixture form me ...
By:
buddeliea
When: 10 Feb 12 21:00
Although not as good as others,Montbazon being one.Tetlami being another.
They for me are the likeliest out of the english.
By:
R Carver
When: 10 Feb 12 21:00
Oh, and in the case of PW, I do not like the form or profile! (likewise Tetlami).
By:
judorick
When: 10 Feb 12 21:03
yes it is a good question

the form does not look good enough and Ericht holds it down badly imo - so the fav does look short and I deffo won't be backing him. As ever when you take a position on these things if it all turns out to be the opposite you just have to be philosophical as no punter is going to get everything right in their punting life
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