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MINSK....TRUIMPH HURDLE
MINSK....TRUIMPH HURDLE
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privileged info via the use of 'know for a fact' on several horses.
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maybe dessie has been working him with the best horse in the yard - vic venturi??
 amazing cash for the horse must of been working the house down - extraordinary market move... |
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Has he an entry yet?
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It is quite a staggering gamble building a head of steam.
Have not been involved in the Triumph market for a couple of weeks. When I hecked and saw 7.4 for Minsk I thought, wow, he must have been good on his belated debut, only to of course discover he hasn't been seen since. Difficult situation now, as with this much support you have to feel he will bolt up next week and then go 7/2fav, but if you back a never-raced juvenile at 6/1 in a competitive Triumph and he gets tonked on debut you will be the biggest mug in the business! Something tells me connections are right about this one and he looks like going even shorter. |
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wow, he must have been good on his belated debut, only to of course discover he hasn't been seen since.
He hasnt been seen at all,i couldnt give two fooks if this horse is the next sea pigeon ,anyone who backs a horse at such short odds for an ultra competitive grade 1 at the cheltenham festival whos never jumped a hurdle in public needs their head tested, Even if it does win on its hurdling debut i wouldnt be at all confident that he'll then follow up and win the Triumph |
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Personally cannot see him being bigger than 5/2 if he hoses up as this gamble seems to expect him to. Quite unbelievable really, he really must be the real deal, or at least expect to be but he has to do it on the track. One does wonder what DH has in his yard for him to show the level of form on his gallops as minsk must really be doing to insight such a move
 On at 12s myself, but only a speculative punt on the back of the hype on here so as i didn't miss out if it came to fruition  ! |
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anyone who has him at double figure prices,well done,can understand why people would throw a few quid on at big prices,but his price now is bordering on ridiculous
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I was thinking that about it at 12s ots, to think people were backing it at 9s 8s and 7s and now its 6s i can only think it must be on the back of privileged information. Who else would back this when we aint ever seen it on the track yet
Can't quite believe it, one thing is for sure, if he is the real deal, we will be talking about this right up till post time and beyond if he actually manages to win the thing! One of the biggest all time antepost gambles imo! |
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OTS, I agree with your last two posts entirely.
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Sorry - the "since" was a typo.
It is a crazy gamble for sure. There have been plenty in this race over the years (many failures) but can't remember one quite as strong as this without a horse being seen over the sticks. |
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i have NEVER seen the fav for the triumph 26 days before the race not to have made it's debut yet. im on at 16 and 14/1. after he pissed up in the irish ces. i would never back him at the current prices. i do get the feeling that connections think that while on his way to a flat campiagn he might aswell win the triumph on the way. he does have experience of running in a huge field having hacked up in the irish ces which is something most of the others have not done yet. just watched that irish race and the way he made up 5 lengths on the turn for home came back on the bridle then quickened away was pretty impressive.
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He was imprssive in the Irish Ces but already we've seen quite a few decent Grade 2 and 3 flat horses not make the grade as hurdlers this season.
He's near the sort of price I wouldn't back an unraced hurdler at for a Class 4 novice or maiden hurdle at Taunton, let alone the Triumph Hurdle! |
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2.8 k matched at 6 and still has to run. This is remarkable tbh. Never seen anything like it
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Who rides the Minsk?? Paddy Flood Roger Loughran?? WHO??
Want to be Ruby Walsh tbh considering the price. |
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I think a lot of the gamble could be to do with there being no obvious superstar at the head of the market. A few have looked decent, but nothing has really captured the imagination imo, whereas taking into account Minsk's flat form, he does have the potential to blow them away. (Not saying he will, just that he's the most obvious candidate of the field to be a top notcher)
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Agreed Joist....but 5/1 before he has even jumped a hurdle in public a clear fav. Fair enough Triumph winners usually appear late and so on and so on.
But Hughes has had a woeful season tbh and has no obvious top jockey to ride him. I find it bizarre tbh |
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brian cooper rides for d. hughes so he'll be on him. i think he's a very good up and coming jockey and he won his first G1 race last week on that 50/1 shot for Martin.
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stront you took the words out of my mouth there!
We've seen in the past how impressive certain horses have been on the flat,and we automatically assume they'll be at least half decent over hurdles,doesnt always work out that way,its usually the average ex flat horses who turn out to be quality hurdlers, We've also seen plenty of classy ex flat recruits turn out to be bang average over hurdles,the likes of advisor and Washington irving to name but two as recent examples |
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Cooper is a fantastic young jock I agree...be interesting who gets the leg up
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i'd say it will be cooper. don't think d. hughes will shy away from putting him on.
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Well if he's as good as were led to believe,maybe dessie should ride him himself!
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Something else that puts me off is that he'll only have 1 run before the festival. I know that was true of Zarkander but I believe he was the first for 40 odd years not to have run at least twice and he's now 2nd fav for the Champion Hurdle. His one run was also winning a Grade 2. Nearly all recent Triumph winners had won at least twice over hurldes. It's asking an awful lot for such an inexperienced hurdler to go the Festival and win a championship race in that hurly-burly atmosphere.
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I thought Soldatino only had 1 run then won Triumph?
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as i said above. minsk won the irish ces that had about 20 odd runners so he's used to running in big fields. the race he's due to run in next weekend is a G2.
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None of what I said is a reason why he can't/won't win the Triumph, but it is a reason not to back him at 5/1 imo.
Giggsy, thanks for the info - is that race at Fairyhouse? Much more can go wrong in a 20 runner novice hurdle than a 20 runner flat race and he'll still be very inexperienced. Soldatino won a hurdle in France then one in Britain before the Triumph. |
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Soldatino had run over hurdles in France also
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not too sure of the meeting but it is next Sun.
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I think they should bypass the Triumph and go straight to the Champion Hurdle.
He'd get the 4 year old weight allowance and is the only creditable opposition to Hurricane Fly. I mean, he won the Irish Cesarewitch ffs!!! |
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Wellchief
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Strontium
"Something else that puts me off is that he'll only have 1 run before the festival. I know that was true of Zarkander but I believe he was the first for 40 odd years not to have run at least twice and he's now 2nd fav for the Champion Hurdle. His one run was also winning a Grade 2. Nearly all recent Triumph winners had won at least twice over hurldes. It's asking an awful lot for such an inexperienced hurdler to go the Festival and win a championship race in that hurly-burly atmosphere." What you say is true, but the Triumph is not the race it used to be. Most of the races over the 40-odd years of your stat would have had 30 runners, whereas since the introduction of the Fred Winter Handicap a few years back, the last 4 races have had 23, 17, 18 and 14 runners. This has, in my view, removed the "equine bingo" aspect of the race and also made it more achievable for less experienced types, such as Zarkandar and Minsk, to win. Having said all that, I do agree with the many people who have said that Minsk's current price is crazy. |
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Undertaker - that is correct and an excellent point.
My argument is not against Minsk - he might well win the Triumph for all I know. My argument is that it's bonkers he's 5/1 for the Triumph without ever jumping a hurdle in public. |
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whers it 5s?its 7s freely..
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It's currently 6/1 to back on here.
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7s with will h and koral.2 companys not known for their generosity!!
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Still ridiculously short in the cirumstances
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agree with you totally.theres often hype horses at this time..remember river lianne?and lots more whom were simply shortened by money.id like to be on minsk at 12s war though!!
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Entry confirmed for Saturday at Fairyhouse, 1.55pm.
Possible opponents include Ut De Sivola and Darroun, and Bat Masterson which Minsk beat on the flat in the summer giving it a stone. |
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we will watch with intrest!!
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Exciting Minsk among stars set for Fairyhouse BY BRIAN FLEMING 1:17PM 20 FEB 2012 MINSK, 6-1 joint-favourite for the JCB Triumph Hurdle, is in line to make his much anticipated hurdles debut at Fairyhouse on Saturday. Winner of the Irish Cesarewitch in October when trained by John Oxx, Minsk is one of 16 entries for the Winning Fair Juvenile Hurdle. He has been the subject of high praise from his new trainer Dessie Hughes, which has seen his Triumph odds tumble with a number of firms. Hughes has earmarked Saturday's race as the Barry Connell-owned four-year-old's prep for Cheltenham. Willie Mullins has five entered in opposition in the Grade 2, including recent disappointment Ut De Sivola and last month's Leopardstown maiden winner Darroun. |
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Hi guys just back from a wknd @ wolves had a chat with the 80s singer jackie graham lovely woman
and from cammys era as well anyway the gambles on boys and the money is down good luck to all my followers who steamed in ~ 16s 14s 12s just like Mr Glasgow has done since october this WILL be my biggest scoop since BRAVE INCA remember i tipped him up @ 10s , and BIG BUCKS 3/1 2 year ago both fantastic wins for my pocket , but this will be my best ever if hes as good as they say he is 6s now unreal really but dont let that stop you punting him seen this before and if it continues to shorten help yourself too even more, hills are 7s TAKE IT !!!!! WHEN HE WOOOOOOOOSHESSSSSS home in sathe will be BOTTLE on the day good luck everyone the dream is alive GAWNNNNNNN MINSKKKKKKGAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN CAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY |